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RE: Come build with me. - 6/26/2008 3:42:45 PM
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joy2give2u
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Oh trust me you will be a fan before long........I am telling you nothing is more exciting then when they start stealing bases..........you will know you are in trouble when you know the name of all the other players and are continually shouting out encouragement to them...........
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RE: Come build with me. - 6/26/2008 3:54:47 PM
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........ Okay girlies.... enough chit chat!
Git back on topic!!
Where's Blazing SaddlesSon??? I'm waiting for some more insight!!!!!! 
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RE: Come build with me. - 6/26/2008 9:27:02 PM
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Yeah, call us wimps and run will he....
RUN!? HA! I've been busy all day. Some of us have obligations to fulfill, appointments to keep, promises to honor, duties to perform and...uh...stuff.
I've been out of town on business all afternoon and haven't had the time log on and post on this thread. I was logged on for a very short time this morning before I left but hadn't read Haggai yet for the day. I haven't even caught up on what everyone else has posted since I was on last.
Boy, I tell you what...a guy turns his back for an afternoon and they attack you from behind.
I don't know about the rest of you, but I have a job. I'm like Eddie Murphy in "Beverly Hills Cop", "I'm a bidness man. I got deals going down alla time."
This is the closest I could find to a rapberry smiley. 
Anyway, returning to the topic at hand:
If you will recall my thoughts on the first part of chapter one. I was given the impression that the remnant had ignored the Lords Temple while overindulging themselves to the point they were allowing crops to rot in the fields
I appears that as a result of their gluttony and their ignorance of the House of the Lord, He cursed their crops.
"Therefore, because of you the heavens have withheld their dew and the earth it's crops. I called for a drought on the fields and the mountains, on the grain, the new wine, the olive oil and everything else the ground produces, on the people and livestock, and on all the labor of your hands."
They had to pay the price for their selfishness and for thinking more of themselves than they should've.
But they were also a repentant people:
"Then Zerubbabel, son of Shealtiel, Joshua son of Jozadak, the high priest, and the whole remnant of the peole obeyed the voice of the Lord their God and the message of the prophet Haggai, because the Lord their God had sent him. And the people feared the Lord."
I believe the word "fear" in this instance means, "respect" or "honor". Not "being afraid of"
Because of their return to God, He tells them:
"Then Haggai, the Lord's messenger, gave this message of the Lord to the people: 'I am with you', declares the Lord."
Reassuring them of His presence. It goes on to say,
"So the spirit of the Lord stirrred up the spirit of Zerubbabel son of Shealtiel, governor of Judah, and the spirit of Joshua son of Jozadak, the high priest, and the spirit of the whole remnant of the people. They came and began to work on the house of the Lord Almighty, their God on the twenty-fourth day of the sixth month."
Then it was three months later to the day that this message was given to the remnant through Haggai.
"From this day on, from this twenty-fourth day of the ninth month, give careful thought to the day when the foundation of the Lord's temple was laid. Give careful thought; Is there yet any seed left in the barn? Until now, the vine and the fig tree, the pomegranate and the olive tree have not borne fruit. From this day on I will bless you."
God didn't wait for the entire temple to be completed, He lifted the curse on their crops and labor once the foundation was completed. He gave them enough time to show they were sincere in their efforts to rebuild the temple.
This also gave them a crop to take a tithe from to return to God and for offerings to support the work of the temple priests.
It seems to me that there will be times when we will have to show our sincerity before the blessings return to us after we fall away.
(I'm not gonna scan for typos 'cause the cat keeps walking on the keyboard. But I think it's coherent.)
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RE: Come build with me. - 6/27/2008 10:06:28 AM
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Boy, I tell you what...a guy turns his back for an afternoon and they attack you from behind.
Well, he's a fast learner I guess ladies... 
Haggai- I didn't get far this morning either Rach. But not because I overslept . I used the Chuck Swindoll "Living Insights" Study Bible this morning, and read some of the printed "Insights" sprinkled through the pages for the first time. What stopped me was right after Chapter 1, vs. 9 - "Living insight: Business feeds the ego, but starves the inner person. It went on, but that was the one that caught me this morning. "Busyness". As in not necessarily productive, but filling up time. I am guilty at times. I'm also guilty of the opposite. Idleness. And as I was contemplating this, I turned on the TV (idleness???). And what was on? I believe it is James and Betty Robinson... Your Body; God's Temple. Marty Somebody was talking about diet and exercise, that our body belongs to God, not us, that we do not have the right to abuse our body with the wrong food and no exercise until we are not able to give it 100% to God's work. **BUSTED**  . She was not talking about being thin and all that- well in a way, yes- but really about submitting our bodies to the Lord.
Rats. I had been nicely going through this "study" on Haggai without having to face that part of my personal temple that is in ruins. Double Rats. The last few years have been filled with emotional struggles and ups and downs. I have gained alot- a lot of weight. I have sat in my recliner watching TV waaay too much (hmm, wonder how He knew to reach me there??? ). It's time to get off my keester and get going again. Time to re-enter life again. Time to eat to be healthy again. It takes work. Rats, I was so darn "comfy" too...
Give careful thought to your ways, says the Lord. I haven't "thought" in a long while. I have activly avoided much thought.
Am I listening?
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RE: Come build with me. - 6/27/2008 1:58:00 PM
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WOW Kalee.........that was some post..........I know one of the pillar of my temple that God told me I needed to do some major work on was my body........how I eat and exercise.....
ruins, the remains of a building, city, etc., that has been destroyed or that is in disrepair or a state of decay:
I did not get far into my reading either when something jumped out at me.......something I have never noticed before.......
NIV........1: 4 Is it a time for you yourself to be living in your paneled houses, while this house remains a ruin?
I have read this verse every single time I read Haggai but something different strike me last night.......one little letter........A.....while this house remains a ruin.........it doesn't say in ruins......but a ruin.
My mind went to pictures I have seen and shows I have watched on biblical ruins.......I love seeing the ruins of the past.....they always remind me of the things I have learned about them.......about there past.
What fascinates people with ruins......it is the past they represent.
As I was thinking of these things God lead me to Isiah 48:6....From now on I will tell you of new things unknown to you.
These are the words I wrote in my journal......
A ruin is something with a history or past of importance to us. Something which we see and it draws us to the past..........to what life was like back then
Each day God's people would have walked past the temple and though it was in dis-repair it still reflected what they were comfortable with, what they were familiar with, what had been in the past.
I wonder, when they saw it was it easier to see it's former glory then comprehend or imagine it's future glory?
Is that what we do?
Do we spend so much time focusing on or seeing the God of our past that we can't imagine or see the God of our future?
Is it far easier for us to be comfortable in the past then to step into the future?
Easy to remember the past and what it was then imagine what might be?
Do we get so caught up in the past temple, who we have been taught God is, that we can't see the new things he is trying to show us........
Isiah 48:6....From now on I will tell you of new things unknown to you.
I wonder if part of the reason the people, why we, stop working on the temple is because we don't want to let go of the past? We want to hang onto the familiar.
I wonder do we sometimes close our eyes to the new things God is revealing to us because we don't want to see him differently?
I know I often want to hang unto the things I understand from the past.......even with the Lord. It is easier for me to remember who he is based on the experiences I have had with him then to walk into something new he wants to reveal to me.....something unknown to me.
Revelations given by the Lord are hard from some........Some believe God does not reveal new things to us.......that everything he wants to say he has already said........
I remember once when I shared something God had said to me, which was not a verse quoted in the bible, the person jokingly said......I will believe God told you that if you can tell me what movie I am thinking of...........I was a little confused by his response......ok not a little quite a bit......it puzzled me.
Last night as I was talking to God about what he was showing me.......I realized this gentleman viewed revelation from God as a type of mind reading thingy........
Isiah 48:6....From now on I will tell you of new things unknown to you. Unknown to you......that is the key word.......a revelation is not something unknown or new to God.....it is something unknown or new to me........or to you.
God knows everything already......he has gone ahead and prepared the path.......just like he did with the people in Haggai.....
God knows everything he has planned for us...........and at the right time, if we are open to it, he will reveal his plans to us.......
Just as he revealed it to his people..........He comforted them and told them it is ok to let go of the past because this new temple being built will be far more glorious then the one of the past.........trust me.....don't hang onto the past........don't live your life taking comfort looking at the ruins of the past....but move with me into the new things i am going to do in your life......trust me in the unknown.
God does not change but our understanding of who he is and what his plans are do change as we grow closer to him....
Am I willing to trust God in the unknown? Are you?
Do I want him to share with me those things unknown to me? Or am I more comfortable with the God I know so far?
Haggai 2:3. Who of you is left who saw this house in its former glory? How does it look to you now? Does it not seem to you like nothing?
Dawn do you still see me in my former glory? Look at me. Look at me based on what I have shared......that the former glory of the things I have done doesn't compare to what I plan on doing.......Look at your past Dawn........remember the things I have done in your life......now see them in relationship to what I am doing in your life.........How does it look to you? How do I look to you now compared to how you use to see me? Doesn't the walk you use to have with me seem like nothing compared to our relationship now?
Then join with me Dawn.....Be strong........Be Strong.
Haggai 2:4 But now be strong, O Zerubbbabel,' declares the Lord. "Be strong O Joshua son go Jehozadak, the high priest. Be strong , all you people of the land,' declares the Lord,' and work For I am with you,' declares the Lord Almighty.
Letting go of the known is hard but only by letting go can we grab hold of those things unknown to us.
We can't see our future if our eyes are always looking to our past.
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RE: Come build with me. - 6/27/2008 2:31:26 PM
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RE: Come build with me. - 6/27/2008 2:37:44 PM
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ruins, the remains of a building, city, etc., that has been destroyed or that is in disrepair or a state of decay:
I did not get far into my reading either when something jumped out at me.......something I have never noticed before.......
NIV........1: 4 Is it a time for you yourself to be living in your paneled houses, while this house remains a ruin?
I have read this verse every single time I read Haggai but something different strike me last night.......one little letter........A.....while this house remains a ruin.........it doesn't say in ruins......but a ruin.
Huh, I hadn't even thought of that really.
One little letter can make such a difference, can't it? Something being in ruins seems to imply that it happened in the past to an inanimate "thing", doesn't it? But to me "a" ruin seems more like something current. Is that what you were thinking? Or is it just me?
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Each day God's people would have walked past the temple and though it was in dis-repair it still reflected what they were comfortable with, what they were familiar with, what had been in the past.
They would have, wouldn't they! My first thought was that they should have been that much more aware of the fact that it was a ruin rather than the beautiful temple it had been in Solomon's day- it should have greived them each time they saw it! Then I thought, how easily we become accustomed to things- to sin? David was angry that someone would steal the only lamb of someone... until he realized it was he who had done this terrible thing, then he fell in repentence! What does it take to make us see sometimes?
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I wonder do we sometimes close our eyes to the new things God is revealing to us because we don't want to see him differently? Probably part of the reason at least.
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Revelations given by the Lord are hard from some........Some believe God does not reveal new things to us.......that everything he wants to say he has already said........ I was nodding my head here thinking, but yes- He has already said it, we just haven't understood it yet...
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Isiah 48:6....From now on I will tell you of new things unknown to you. Unknown to you......that is the key word.......a revelation is not something unknown or new to God.....it is something unknown or new to me........or to you.
God knows everything already......he has gone ahead and prepared the path.......just like he did with the people in Haggai.....
and then laughed because I didn't need to say it afterall- you already did.
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God does not change but our understanding of who he is and what his plans are do change as we grow closer to him.... True, just like what we know about people change as we get to develope a closer relationship with them. The deeper the relationship with them, the more we know about them.
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Am I willing to trust God in the unknown? Are you? Always the hardest thing to do! It's so much easier to trust what we already know than that which we only hope we know.
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RE: Come build with me. - 6/27/2008 2:44:16 PM
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Hey Rach........I will praying for you this weekend.........love you girl.
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RE: Come build with me. - 6/27/2008 4:20:32 PM
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Hey Rach........I will praying for you this weekend.........love you girl.
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RE: Come build with me. - 6/27/2008 7:28:47 PM
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I had read it through last night, and wound up with some thoughts.......after reading it this afternoon a little bit more slowly, those thoughts prevailed, and so....... 
I got to verse 6 and 7 of chapter one.........i love my Amplified Bible, so read from that......
6You have sown much, but you have reaped little; you eat, but you do not have enough; you drink, but you do not have your fill; you clothe yourselves, but no one is warm; and he who earns wages has earned them to put them in a bag with holes in it.
7Thus says the Lord of hosts: Consider your ways (your previous and present conduct) and how you have fared.
This is what I was thinking after reading this........my dreams.
I have dreamed much, but reaped little of my dreams.......i think about i have planted dreams in fertile ground......they could of taken off......but the hard work of reaping......i sit and feed my heart these dreams.......things that arent pie in the sky......and yet nothing comes of it, and so need to keep feeding myself the thought that one day it will happen. I guess i was thinking about the wages in a bag full of holes.......like....two things......u could put your dreams in a bag.......and it slowly disappears.....because of time or whatever..........or even money, like foolishly spending.....your money i slowly disappearing....and then you get your bank account and you're like, what??? i spent that much money.
This is hard for me, esp. dreams.......cuz i have some desires of my heart.......but, fear gets in my way.......i know the heart of the problem is fearing failure........i'd rather not try, then to fail.......knowing this doesnt make decisions any easier........and these dreams arent far fetched things.......like wanting to become a millionaire......or something that would never be attainable......the Lord does seem to be knocking me over the head regarding this........because living with no warmth in your life is no way to live.
And then the 7th verse..........consider your ways........ponder think about it.........and see how you have fared.........i'm ever learning.....but, i know there is much more for me out there.
What a thing to meditate on.
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RE: Come build with me. - 6/28/2008 2:17:40 PM
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Great idea for a post Joy!
This is what came to me after reading chapter 1.
When we're self seeking or try to satisfy our own wants, needs, and desires on our own we'll be doomed to failure. We need to first seek God and delight in him and all these things will be give unto us. This is such a simple concept, but I have to admit I struggle with actually doing this and letting go. I always try to assist God in the things I want or need. I need to figure out the balance between Faith in action and listening to the Holy Spirit, opposed to making rash decisions on my own and failing miserbly.
AlwaysR8chel- What's an NIV Jail Bible?... just curious.
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RE: Come build with me. - 6/30/2008 4:06:48 PM
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I read Haggai each night and each night God showed me something different........
As we do this study I am finding God is taking what he is speaking to me and beginning to take it off paper and allowing me to experience it.
Several of these experiences happened Friday night as I was at a worship meeting. Half way during the meeting I felt lead to read Haggai and see what God wanted to say to me.
As I was reading these words jumped out at me...."In just a little while I will again shake the heavens and the earth' What do you mean Lord? When was the last time I shook heaven and earth Dawn? Are you ready for me to do it again......this time in your life? Are you ready for me to shake your heaven and your earth?
I went to the meeting secretly hoping God would have someone speak a word over me or a stranger would come up and pray for me concerning something on my heart unknown to them.
Instead God told me to go pray for a gentleman in the front row.
Now he was a member of the church, there were many leaders of the church wondering around praying for people, me praying for him made little sense......
God says he will stir up the spirits of the people.........he will give them an enthusiasm for doing the work God has called them to do.......God stirred up my spirit.........I walked up to the man.
Just as I got to him another man, one of the leaders approached to pray for him, but I felt God saying Dawn I want you to lay hands on him and pray.
I did.
Wow......talking about shaking my world.
I had no clue what I was going to pray for in regards to this gentleman. I did not speak to him or even look at him in the face. I stood behind him, placed my hand on his back and let the Holy Spirit pray for me.
Words began to come out of my mouth which were not from me.......I began to pray for healing in his heart.........that God would show him that he is capable of loving again.......that his heart is not so broken as to not being capable of loving again.
As I prayed two things happened which really shook me.........first I could feel his pain in my heart.......I literally felt my heart ripping in two, being broken, with a pain so intense I thought I would not be able to bear it.......and I felt his heart beating under my hand.........at first it was just a strong beat......but the more I prayed the stronger the beat became..........I opened my eyes and could see his shirt rising and falling with each beat as my hand rose and fail as well........
I don't think I have every experienced anything like it before.......but the thing was the heart was on the wrong side.........the beating was on the wrong side..........as I continued to pray I asked God to explain to me what was going on.......he did.........you see his heart was broken and God was healing it.....he was washing away all the bitterness, anger and pain......and healing the brokenness......but it was not his emotional heart I was feeling.......it was his spiritual heart........as God was healing his broken heart and releasing all the junk built up in there his spiritual heart was free to beat harder and faster and that was what I was seeing and feeling.........
WOW.....wow
This is not normal in my life.......praying with such results........to me it was as though heaven and earth were shaking.......I know mine were and I also know they will never.......I will never be the same again.
Then last night as I was reading the end the last verse made me catch my breath.........the whole time I have read this verse, no matter which translations I thought God was saying that the things we speak, the things he says to us and we share will have the mark of God's signet ring letting the world know that what we are sharing has the authentication of the King......that the documents he is having us share are from him.
But last night I realized that is not what God is saying to me.......no he is saying he will make us a signet ring...a seal he will use........we are the ring not the voice proclaiming his document or decree........we are the ring.......wow
A signet ring typically had the name and titles of the owner deeply sunk in hieroglyphics characters on a ring made of metal usually gold........It was the Kings seal.
Did you read that.......that his name and titles is sunk deeply on us...our character represents his name and his titles.........does anyone else see what this means?
We are not his voice, or the one who shares what he has marked as authentic for others to hear........we are his mark of authentication.........We are engraved with the very names and titles which give his words power.........wow.
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RE: Come build with me. - 6/30/2008 4:58:10 PM
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AlwaysR8chel- What's an NIV Jail Bible?... just curious.
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RE: Come build with me. - 7/10/2008 2:24:53 AM
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It's a small NIV Bible which I use in jail....
Ok, another dumb question... When you say in jail - you mean for a jail ministry... right?
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RE: Come build with me. - 7/15/2008 1:05:16 PM
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It's a small NIV Bible which I use in jail....
Ok, another dumb question... When you say in jail - you mean for a jail ministry... right?
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