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RE: Does God love Satan? - 6/28/2008 12:03:48 PM
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1love1God1way
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I believe God loves Satan because thats who God is He is Love.
God hates the sin emanating from Satan but He does not hate the
part of His creation that sinned, just the sin itself.
Satan is not a being that just has sin in his life.
Though maybe not the most proper way of saying it, if it helps, think of it as Satan IS sin, just as you say God IS love.
What does light share with darkness? Nothing.
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RE: Does God love Satan? - 6/28/2008 2:59:31 PM
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and again putting limitations on God with statements like: God cannot contradict Himself.
He can't. If it were possible, His word would be flawed and imperfect.
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A God in control doesn't have to hate or be bound by hate.
He's not bound to it, but He does. The Bible is also very clear about God's anger, wrath, and that which He despises.
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I believe God loves Satan because thats who God is He is Love.
Since God is love, that automatically makes it true that He loves the being that's in a constant state of rejection and refusal over Him? satan's purpose is to constantly try to overtake God's throne, to constantly interrupt in God's plans. There is no good intentions in him. He represents evil, and nothing more. Never once does satan have a thought of kindness or morality that otherwise wouldn't be considered sin.
If sin had a mascot, it would be satan.
I don't think God is required to love a being that strives on hating Him, that constantly seeks out ways to destroy Him, that goes against everything He stands for.
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RE: Does God love Satan? - 6/28/2008 3:49:31 PM
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I believe God loves Satan because thats who God is He is Love.
God hates the sin emanating from Satan but He does not hate the
part of His creation that sinned, just the sin itself.
Satan is not a being that just has sin in his life.
Though maybe not the most proper way of saying it, if it helps, think of it as Satan IS sin, just as you say God IS love.
God does not change. Even if Satan IS sin, it does not change who God is.
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RE: Does God love Satan? - 6/28/2008 6:04:52 PM
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Yeah, I believe that God CAN do all things because the Bible says so.
No it doesn't. He cannot do certain things.
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And I believe the WHOLE Bible. We shouldn't underestimate God.
It's not a matter of "underestimating" God - it's the reality that God has chosen how He wanted to reveal Himself to us via His Word, the Bible. That is the box God has placed Himself in for how He relates to us humans on this planet.
I glad you have your own opinion. But I have a right to my OWN opinion :)
And again, thanks for responding!
It's not an opinion when it is what the Word of God states - hope your question(s) were answered.
Is the Bible the only way God has chosen to reveal himself to us? I don't recall a verse that states that the Bible is all God will ever want to say to us. This is an area in which many in the modern church border on bibliolatry.
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RE: Does God love Satan? - 6/28/2008 7:38:09 PM
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Yeah, I believe that God CAN do all things because the Bible says so.
No it doesn't. He cannot do certain things.
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And I believe the WHOLE Bible. We shouldn't underestimate God.
It's not a matter of "underestimating" God - it's the reality that God has chosen how He wanted to reveal Himself to us via His Word, the Bible. That is the box God has placed Himself in for how He relates to us humans on this planet.
I glad you have your own opinion. But I have a right to my OWN opinion :)
And again, thanks for responding!
It's not an opinion when it is what the Word of God states - hope your question(s) were answered.
Maybe. We all interpret the Bible differently though!
And yes, my question was answered! Thanks :)
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RE: Does God love Satan? - 6/28/2008 7:39:33 PM
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Yeah, I believe that God CAN do all things because the Bible says so.
No it doesn't. He cannot do certain things.
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And I believe the WHOLE Bible. We shouldn't underestimate God.
It's not a matter of "underestimating" God - it's the reality that God has chosen how He wanted to reveal Himself to us via His Word, the Bible. That is the box God has placed Himself in for how He relates to us humans on this planet.
I glad you have your own opinion. But I have a right to my OWN opinion :)
And again, thanks for responding!
It's not an opinion when it is what the Word of God states - hope your question(s) were answered.
Is the Bible the only way God has chosen to reveal himself to us? I don't recall a verse that states that the Bible is all God will ever want to say to us. This is an area in which many in the modern church border on bibliolatry.
Did I say that? I did not.
God reveals himself in many ways.
So don't put words in my mouth.
And thanks for responding! :)
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RE: Does God love Satan? - 6/28/2008 7:48:11 PM
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God does not change. Even if Satan IS sin, it does not change who God is.
So do you think that God can hate at all? Is God capable of hate?
If not, how do you reconcile the Scripture that talks about God hating?
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RE: Does God love Satan? - 6/28/2008 8:35:38 PM
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Is the Bible the only way God has chosen to reveal himself to us? I don't recall a verse that states that the Bible is all God will ever want to say to us. This is an area in which many in the modern church border on bibliolatry.
The Bible (God's Word for ALL of mankind) is how He primarily speaks to us. Everything either stands or fall by it - Scripture is the litmus test.
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RE: Does God love Satan? - 6/28/2008 9:32:35 PM
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God does not change. Even if Satan IS sin, it does not change who God is.
So do you think that God can hate at all? Is God capable of hate?
If not, how do you reconcile the Scripture that talks about God hating?
Is not everything Gods creation? Does He not know everything? And everything that will happen, before it happens? Is He ever surprised? Is He ever shocked? Ever caught off guard?
God is Spirit, He is not human. How do we reconcile any passage that uses human attributes to describe an infinite invisible Spirit Being? Do we have any words to truly explain or describe God to our finite minds?
But...we have Jesus. God in flesh. The ultimate revelation of God to mankind. And I see no hate in Him.
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RE: Does God love Satan? - 6/28/2008 9:41:44 PM
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So in other words, the use of "hate" for God in those passages is... wrong?
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RE: Does God love Satan? - 6/28/2008 10:09:52 PM
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Is the Bible the only way God has chosen to reveal himself to us? I don't recall a verse that states that the Bible is all God will ever want to say to us. This is an area in which many in the modern church border on bibliolatry.
The Bible (God's Word for ALL of mankind) is how He primarily speaks to us. Everything either stands or fall by it - Scripture is the litmus test.
earthless.... do you believe the paracletus that Jesus was talking about was "the bible"???
I am not pulling that out or your words. I am just trying to make sure I understand you.
"the bible is the final word" only means anything to a spirit filled believer (imo).
the very nature of God is love, and understanding the very nature of love is understanding the existance of hate.
not everyone is clear about this, but knowing and experiencing Gods love is more important than understanding the usage of hate.
sin is separation from God (who is love) so of course God hates sin, and sin is what is very clearly described in the bible. it is a what, and not a who.
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RE: Does God love Satan? - 6/28/2008 10:42:19 PM
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If we look closely at the passages about God hating Esau, we get a more clear view of this subject:
And Esau hated Jacob because of the blessing wherewith his father blessed him: and Esau said in his heart, "The days of mourning for my father are at hand; then will I slay my brother Jacob." -Gen 27:41
Esau hated Jacob firstly, and was standing in diabolical opposition to the bloodline and manifestation of Jesus Christ:
And the children struggled together within her; and she said, "If it be so, why am I thus?" And she went to enquire of the LORD. And the LORD said unto her, "Two nations [are] in thy womb, and two manner of people shall be separated from thy bowels; and [the one] people shall be stronger than [the other] people; and the elder shall serve the younger." -Gen 25:22-23
Esau is the father of certain nations, diabolically opposed to Israel:
And I hated Esau, and laid his mountains and his heritage waste for the dragons of the wilderness. -Mal 1:3
As to the question of whether God loves Satan, we know this:
But I say unto you, love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you; That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust. For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? Do not even the publicans the same? -Mat 5:44
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RE: Does God love Satan? - 6/28/2008 11:29:02 PM
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As to the question of whether God loves Satan, we know this:
But I say unto you, love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you; That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust. For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? Do not even the publicans the same? -Mat 5:44
If Jesus said we should love our enemies then I guess that sums it up that He would also love His enemies. Good verse to point out.
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RE: Does God love Satan? - 6/28/2008 11:53:57 PM
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I think He does. Satan is still a created being of God's. It's interesting to note that God didn't condemn Satan to Hell right away... but allowed him to be free on the earth. Whether or not there is any type of salvation offered to him or the 1/3 of angels that rebelled and followed Satan, I do not know. Isn't there a verse that says, "I wish that none would perish?"
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RE: Does God love Satan? - 6/29/2008 12:12:51 AM
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As to the question of whether God loves Satan, we know this:
But I say unto you, love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you; That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust. For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? Do not even the publicans the same? -Mat 5:44
If Jesus said we should love our enemies then I guess that sums it up that He would also love His enemies. Good verse to point out.
So. . .
I should pray for Satan? Love him anyway?
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RE: Does God love Satan? - 6/29/2008 12:21:38 AM
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As to the question of whether God loves Satan, we know this:
But I say unto you, love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you; That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust. For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? Do not even the publicans the same? -Mat 5:44
If Jesus said we should love our enemies then I guess that sums it up that He would also love His enemies. Good verse to point out.
So. . .
I should pray for Satan? Love him anyway?
I didn't say you should pray for him but wouldn't that be something if your prayer converted Satan. But yes you should love him he is your enemy isn't he.
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RE: Does God love Satan? - 6/29/2008 2:49:26 PM
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As to the question of whether God loves Satan, we know this:
But I say unto you, love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you; That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust. For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? Do not even the publicans the same? -Mat 5:44
If Jesus said we should love our enemies then I guess that sums it up that He would also love His enemies. Good verse to point out.
So. . .
I should pray for Satan? Love him anyway?
I didn't say you should pray for him but wouldn't that be something if your prayer converted Satan. But yes you should love him he is your enemy isn't he.
The Father of Lies? The Deceiver? The Angel of Light? The Prince of Darkness? The Lion Roaming to Devour? The Accuser?
That's who should be loved?
A being beyond salvation? Whose destiny and fate is already chosen? Whom for he alone hell was created?
My Bible tells me to hate what is evil.
Your bible tells you to hate evil not to hate the being behind the evil, you can still love Satan and hate everything he stands for. No where in the bible will you find a scripture telling you to hate Satan.
This whole argument reminds me of the verse where a shepard lost a sheep:
Matthew 18:11-14 (Webster Bible)
For the Son of man is come to save that which was lost. How think ye? if a man hath a hundred sheep, and one of them is gone astray, doth he not leave the ninety and nine, and seek that which is gone astray? And if he findeth it, verily I say to you, he rejoiceth more over that sheep, then over the ninety and nine which went not astray. Even so it is not the will of your Father who is in heaven, that one of these little ones should perish.
I believe Satan is to be described as "one of these little ones" or as the "lost sheep" and God would greatly rejoice if he was to repent of his deeds.
Yes I know that hell and the lake of fire were created for Satan but that does not end Gods mercy and who is to say Gods anger would not be turned back one more time as has been done countless times towards the Israelites as the bible clearly tells us if Satan were to repent.
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RE: Does God love Satan? - 6/29/2008 5:14:32 PM
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My Bible tells me the ending, too. Satan is an eternally unrepentant being whose fate has been decided by the lake of fire.
He is not a being who does evil, and should be loved beyond his evil.
He is an evil being.
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RE: Does God love Satan? - 6/29/2008 5:30:20 PM
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Your bible tells you to hate evil not to hate the being behind the evil, you can still love Satan and hate everything he stands for.
I do not see how one can love Satan and love God at the same time. It makes no sense.
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I believe Satan is to be described as "one of these little ones" or as the "lost sheep" and God would greatly rejoice if he was to repent of his deeds.
The Lord has never described Satan in such a manner.
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RE: Does God love Satan? - 6/29/2008 11:39:32 PM
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Your bible tells you to hate evil not to hate the being behind the evil, you can still love Satan and hate everything he stands for. No where in the bible will you find a scripture telling you to hate Satan.
You're treading very dangerous waters here. I think Satan would like nothing more than for you to start feeling sorry for him, or to love him. You will not find a passage of scripture explicitly telling us to hate Satan, but nor will you find one telling us to pray for him. To pray for human enemies is fine and good. Leave Satan to God. We must not occupy ourselves with things too high for us. God's direct dealings with Satan are way over our heads and we should leave them there.
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RE: Does God love Satan? - 6/30/2008 12:02:12 AM
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So. . .
I should pray for Satan? Love him anyway?
No. We are to love and pray for our enemies on Earth. I believe that if God hated Esau for hating Jacob, and thus standing against Jesus Christ before he was born. It follows that God also hates Satan. But never the less, Christ is able to show mercy to all creatures, just and unjust.
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RE: Does God love Satan? - 6/30/2008 5:25:28 AM
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Wow, the misinterpreted doctrine in this thread is overbearing.
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If Jesus said we should love our enemies then I guess that sums it up that He would also love His enemies. Good verse to point out.
I can easily counter this by merely saying:
satan is the prince of evil spirits. What does my God say about this?
Psalm 97:10
Let those who love the LORD hate evil, for He guards the lives of His faithful ones and delivers them from the hand of the wicked.
Never have we been commanded to love His adversary. We are NOT required to, and that scripture is taken out of context to support that claim. If we loved the enemy, we would be accepting sin as our constant nature. Thus completely defeating the purpose of Christ's crucifixion.
You cannot serve both God and love His enemy, the very thing we're told to hate. You cannot serve a master of light and intertwine with the dominion of darkness.
To echo Ben: what does light have in common with darkness? Nothing.
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Whether or not there is any type of salvation offered to him or the 1/3 of angels that rebelled and followed Satan, I do not know.
satan does NOT want salvation. he wants God's throne and supremacy.
Revelation is clear about his eternal dwelling.
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I didn't say you should pray for him but wouldn't that be something if your prayer converted Satan.
.... what?
he cannot be "converted". It is impossible for him to enter into the light, or are you all not reading the same Bible I am?
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But yes you should love him he is your enemy isn't he.
No, you should NOT love him. I don't believe God was referring to satan in Matthew 5:44, but rather actual humans that do you harm. It might help to research the contents of that verse before jumping to false conclusions.
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No where in the bible will you find a scripture telling you to hate Satan.
Like nowhere in the Bible would you find scripture that clearly says we should ignore the being he is, what he represents, and just love on the creep as if he were a soft, fluffy bunny. You're forgetting that our God is a justice God who does not tolerate sin.
All sin comes from evil. satan is the prince of evil spirits; the adversary. An adversary is something that stands in complete opposition of someone or something. he stands against good and presents evil. Psalm 97:10 says if I love my God, I must hate all evil.
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Yes I know that hell and the lake of fire were created for Satan but that does not end Gods mercy
God's Word doesn't change. You, nor anyone else can add to or take away from it. It's been written and so it shall come to pass.
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I think Satan would like nothing more than for you to start feeling sorry for him, or to love him.
2 Corinthians 11:3
But I am afraid that just as Eve was deceived by the serpent's cunning, your minds may somehow be led astray from your sincere and pure devotion to Christ.
That's satan purpose, to deceive.
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RE: Does God love Satan? - 6/30/2008 7:51:45 AM
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great post, grape.
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