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I think it would be a good starting point to tell people why it is wrong and to get all the Christians to agree on the issue.

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And then all democrats who can't possibly be Christians in some people's book.

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The big fuss is that he acts as if he speaks for the Body of Christ, a sort of non-catholic Pope. He certainly does not speak for me or the Christians that I know.

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And then all democrats who can't possibly be Christians in some people's book.

you are refering to the Bible correct?

Are you a paid staffer for Obama's "Don't tread on me" campaign (one on 7000 they hired to deflect the truth) or do you just enjoy the Kool'Aid?


Thsnks
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I would argue that if Roe is overturned, you'll see these numbers (12 years out of date) go much higher.

Those numbers add up given the total murdered children divided by the days since Roe vs Wade, actually it’s more per year as the total numbers show…... What line of logic would make the case for the number to increase if were against the law?

48,589,993...

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But then again, as these abortions would be performed underground, there would be no way to get an accurate count.

Now there is good reason for <cough> safe and legal murdering of unborn children....

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I don't think you realize how many people in this country (typically, a 63% majority) support basic abortion rights, both Democrat and Republican alike. For example, Laura Bush and her daughters are pro-choice.

You think wrong, and I really don't care how many do, since that doesn't make it right... As for them being Democrats or Republicans I don't care there either... Regardless they support murder and they will be held accountable for it... Period...

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Also, what does "bring them down" mean?

Kill them... What did you think it meant? Give them a pat on the back for a job well done?

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John

Quite horrific, AND YET (getting back to Dr. Dobson) -

The Family Research Council stand on birth control -

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FRC believes the context for the full expression of human sexuality is within the bonds of marriage between one man and one woman. Upholding this standard of sexual behavior would help to reverse many of the destructive aspects of the sexual revolution, including sexually transmitted disease rates of epidemic proportion, high out-of-wedlock birth rates, adultery, and homosexuality.

In accordance with this position, the best sexuality education embraces sexual abstinence outside of marriage. The abstinence-until-marriage approach promotes optimal physical and psycho-social outcomes for youth and young adults. FRC maintains that contraceptive-based or comprehensive sex education is destructive, providing mixed risk messaging and an overly narrow focus on physical health alone.

So -
NO to comprehensive sex education (that includes discussion of birth control, that may help reduce teen pregnancies).
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ATTACK the use of contraceptives and those groups that freely give out contraceptives.

In my opinion, Dr. Dobson and his Family Research Council share responsibility for the tragedy of abortion in America.

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Barack Obama: We can find common ground between pro-choice and pro-life

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On abortion:

"I may be opposed to abortion for religious reasons, but if I seek to pass a law banning the practice, I cannot simply point to the teachings of my church or evoke God's will. I have to explain why abortion violates some principle that is accessible to people of all faiths, including those with no faith at all."

What's wrong with that?

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Fine, but let's not adopt the language of violence in order to fight violence. That does noone any good.

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Ok.... What should we call the cold blooded mass murder of unborn children for no just cause? What does God call it?

John

The reference was to a prior post that used violent language directed at an individual . Your post above regarding someone getting hit by a bus qualifies as well.

It reflects poorly on us, and I would like people to stop.

Do you post the same when people support abortion?

John

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How do you know I'm not ol' Curious George himself, preacher?

- Julius

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I don't understand why the Right to Life movement keeps yelling stop but never offers any solutions.

Sure we do, free pregnancy testing cneters, homes for pregnant singles who need the help, adoption by good moral families, teachinf that the only way not to get pregnant is to keep your pants zipped up (also great for STDs), etc. etc.

It is just the kind of help that the abortion mills (planned parenthood included) do not want to hear because it cuts into their bottom line.

Murdering a child is murdiering a child and I will vote for no one who supports that murder.

Thsnks
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I don't understand why the Right to Life movement keeps yelling stop but never offers any solutions.

Sure we do, free pregnancy testing cneters, homes for pregnant singles who need the help, adoption by good moral families, teachinf that the only way not to get pregnant is to keep your pants zipped up (also great for STDs), etc. etc.

It is just the kind of help that the abortion mills (planned parenthood included) do not want to hear because it cuts into their bottom line.

Murdering a child is murdiering a child and I will vote for no one who supports that murder.

Thsnks
RC

A fireman who only knows how to sift the ashes,
or play Smokey the Bear and say "don't play with matches".

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but I have read Dobson's material for at least 15 years and listened to his radio programs and have NEVER heard him insinuate anything near the idea he speaks "for all christians"

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I don't understand why the Right to Life movement keeps yelling stop but never offers any solutions.

Sure we do, free pregnancy testing cneters, homes for pregnant singles who need the help, adoption by good moral families, teachinf that the only way not to get pregnant is to keep your pants zipped up (also great for STDs), etc. etc.

It is just the kind of help that the abortion mills (planned parenthood included) do not want to hear because it cuts into their bottom line.

Murdering a child is murdiering a child and I will vote for no one who supports that murder.

Thsnks
RC

A fireman who only knows how to sift the ashes,
or play Smokey the Bear and say "don't play with matches".

PoohBear, what more would you have done? What other solutions do YOU have in mind, if these are not acceptable ones in your opinion?

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I think Pooh is pouting because his accusation is baseless. It was a slightly more sophisticated way of his saying, "Neener, neener, neener," when he was proven wrong.

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Generations for Life opposes artificial birth control (contraception), not only because it destroys the inherent meaning of the sexual act as a sign of permanent, life-giving love, but because of the disastrous consequences it has wrought on our society.

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wrote: "Sexual union in marriage ought to be a complete giving of each spouse to the other, and when fertility (or potential fertility) is deliberately excluded from that giving I am convinced that something valuable is lost. A husband will sometimes begin to see his wife as an object of sexual pleasure who should always be available for gratification."

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One code phrase is: “I fought to define life as beginning at conception rather than at the time of implantation.” The American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists defines pregnancy as starting at implantation, the first moment a pregnancy can be known. Anti-abortion advocates want pregnancy to start at the unknown moment sperm and egg meet: fertilization. They’d also like you to believe, despite evidence to the contrary, that the birth control pill prevents that fertilized egg from implanting in the womb.

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(President Bush)attempted to strip contraceptive coverage for federal employees, chose a contraception opponent to oversee the nation’s contraceptive program for the poor and invested unprecedented sums into sex-ed programs that prohibit mention of contraception.

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Modern contraceptives use increased in Russia by 74 percent, while the abortion rate declined by 61 percent between 1988 and 2001. Prior to 1988, contraception was difficult to obtain. As a result, most women relied on abortion as a primary means of regulating their fertility.

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In the Czech Republic, abortion rates have fallen from an annual rate of about 116,000 in the late 1980s to 27,600 today. Many credit the increased availability of contraceptives with this decline. Since the 1980s, the percentage of Czech women using birth control pills has quadrupled.

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Um, birth control is not hard to obtain here in the States......

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If your solution is to make sure no one gets pregnant, then how about government mandated sterilization? Does that sound good?

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Um, birth control is not hard to obtain here in the States......

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If someone DOESN'T want to get pregnant it is not too hard to figure out how to keep such a thing from occuring.

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I think I've exausted my patience on this, folks. I have to move on.

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If someone DOESN'T want to get pregnant it is not too hard to figure out how to keep such a thing from occuring.

I'm going to sound old fashioned here, but there was a time when it wasn't socially acceptable for unmarried couples to have children out of wedlock. There was an awful name associated with the babies born to these mothers. In some cases, there were "shotgun weddings" to keep the woman from being shamed. I'm not going to say I condone that type of attitude, but today things are entirely the opposite. There is absolutely no shame when two unmarried people fornicate and produce children. Some churches let that go in their midst and don't say anything for fear of being labeled judgemental. Before, being a single parent was much more of a financial and emotional hardship that it is now. Now, the women don't want to jeopardize their careers, but they still want to sleep around, so they always consider abortion as a viable and socially acceptable option. Men who father some of these children blatantly try to avoid their responsibliities and force the courts to take action. There is no shame in looking to the gubment for assistance in helping raise your child. In other words, we've created a society where negative behavior (fornication) is sociable acceptable and the consequences (i.e pregnancy, childbirth) of negative behavior can be mitigated or eliminated altogether. I used the word "shame" a lot. I think another word for that is "conviction." Today, people just don't see anything wrong with sleeping around. We treat it like eating food. Like it's a necessary bodily function that when kids get a certain age they HAVE to do and there's nothing we can do about it except give them access to contraceptives. If this behavior results in a pregnancy, there are several options available that don't include taking fulll responsibility for your actions.

While some here advocate the gubment passing laws to eliminate some of these options, I think the attitude of society has to change first, that is, instilling in young people that it's wrong to sleep around. Letting them know that the consequences are their responsibility, not the gubment's. Not blaming democrats or the gubment for murdering babies, but the individuals themselves who choose this path because they don't want to take the responsibility for their irresponsibility. As long as people are taught that it's the gubments fault that they got pregnant cause the school won't provide contraception, the gubment's fault they chose abortion cause un-Christian folks keep electing democrats, we'll always have these issues to deal with. Conviction can't come when you have others to blame.

- Julius

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If someone DOESN'T want to get pregnant it is not too hard to figure out how to keep such a thing from occuring.

I'm going to sound old fashioned here, but there was a time when it wasn't socially acceptable for unmarried couples to have children out of wedlock. There was an awful name associated with the babies born to these mothers. In some cases, there were "shotgun weddings" to keep the woman from being shamed. I'm not going to say I condone that type of attitude, but today things are entirely the opposite. There is absolutely no shame when two unmarried people fornicate and produce children. Some churches let that go in their midst and don't say anything for fear of being labeled judgemental. Before, being a single parent was much more of a financial and emotional hardship that it is now. Now, the women don't want to jeopardize their careers, but they still want to sleep around, so they always consider abortion as a viable and socially acceptable option. Men who father some of these children blatantly try to avoid their responsibliities and force the courts to take action. There is no shame in looking to the gubment for assistance in helping raise your child. In other words, we've created a society where negative behavior (fornication) is sociable acceptable and the consequences (i.e pregnancy, childbirth) of negative behavior can be mitigated or eliminated altogether. I used the word "shame" a lot. I think another word for that is "conviction." Today, people just don't see anything wrong with sleeping around. We treat it like eating food. Like it's a necessary bodily function that when kids get a certain age they HAVE to do and there's nothing we can do about it except give them access to contraceptives. If this behavior results in a pregnancy, there are several options available that don't include taking fulll responsibility for your actions.

While some here advocate the gubment passing laws to eliminate some of these options, I think the attitude of society has to change first, that is, instilling in young people that it's wrong to sleep around. Letting them know that the consequences are their responsibility, not the gubment's. Not blaming democrats or the gubment for murdering babies, but the individuals themselves who choose this path because they don't want to take the responsibility for their irresponsibility. As long as people are taught that it's the gubments fault that they got pregnant cause the school won't provide contraception, the gubment's fault they chose abortion cause un-Christian folks keep electing democrats, we'll always have these issues to deal with. Conviction can't come when you have others to blame.

- Julius