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RE: Discussion on the merits of the wealthy-You asked f... - 6/30/2008 11:02:39 AM
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Sophie11
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ORIGINAL: Zhi
The point is that you're wrong about the Civil War, and you're wrong about people being "cheerleaders" for the rich. There's a difference between being cheerleaders, and wanting to be fair about things. There's a difference between being cheerleaders, and having a fundamental understanding of how our economy works. There's a difference between being cheerleaders, and understanding that even if we're working hard to make ends meet in this country, we're still unfathomably rich in the perspective of most of the rest of the planet. There's a difference between being cheerleaders, and refusing to be hateful, prejudiced, and generally un-Christian toward those who are financially better off than us. There's a difference between being a cheerleader and thinking it's okay for a poor person to mug a rich person. You're going to have to grasp that eventually.
No one here is taking exception to the fact that we should help the poor, and that the rich should as well. What we're taking exception to is the idea that people should be FORCED to help. What we're taking exception to is your horrible, hateful, venemous, and even violent attitude toward people who are financially better off than you.
Well said, Zhi!
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RE: Discussion on the merits of the wealthy-You asked f... - 6/30/2008 4:02:42 PM
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rnershigh
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This is a good question asked in the OP.
Those who are wealthy are no better or worse than those who are less wealthy.
I recently visited a new church, it has been in existence for only a year.
They are growing and they need to find a new church.
The church they have their eye on will cost them $30 million dollars.
When the pastor let the congregation know a week ago yesterday about the need for this money, he said he was confident God would provide, he was told by God not to worry, they would get this church
Within 2-3 day he had gotten $7.4 million from 32 families.
In ONE week since the pastor's announcement! God is working in that congregation.
I heard a testimony from a man yesterday who's store was robbed a few days ago, except for the $40,000 in cash he had next to where the stolen equipment was.
The thieves didn't take the money, money he had been saving for himself but then he realized it was God's money, never his and gave the pastor the money yesterday!
There were 4 individuals each donated $1 million. Another pledged to give $1 million in CASH (I'm assuming a personal check would be written).
These families are extremely wealthy, but when they heard there was a need and money needed to be raised to go to the new church, they didn't even hesitate but gave money the very next day!
Every one of the families that gave money did it because God was speaking to them to give.
These people gave freely.
So yes, you can be Christian and extremely wealthy and it is NOT wrong to have that wealth if you remember it is God's money, not yours.
God is the one giving the blessing and if you remember that and give when He asks, why should other Christians have a problem with it?
< Message edited by rnershigh -- 6/30/2008 4:09:14 PM >
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RE: Discussion on the merits of the wealthy-You asked f... - 6/30/2008 4:06:07 PM
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Qtman
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Good point.
Good examples.
Good Post.
Very well said.
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RE: Discussion on the merits of the wealthy-You asked f... - 6/30/2008 4:16:17 PM
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2Preacher
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This whole issue of Poor vs. Rich really get my goat to say the least. In the first place most of the posts regarding the "rich" from the Scriptures are verses where the Lord condemns, not the riches them selves or the person, but the attitude toward riches.
IF one hoards his wealth and keeps it for himself and ignores the cries of those who are less fortunate than he is that is wrong and God condemns it. It is selfishness and greed. BUT no where in the Scriptures does it say that we are to support, help or otherwise enable a lazy man to be lazy which is what most welfare in this country does.
I live in the south. We have many indigent people who live around here. You don't have to go far to see them sitting on the porch. Now mind you, I am not talking about people who can't find work or are unable to work for a living. I am talking about the lazy, no good for nothing Bums who mooch off of the welfare system. They don't use it as it was intended, to be a hand UP until they could get back on their feet, instead they LIVE ON IT year in and year out. They raise their children to do the same. Consequently we have second and third and even fourth generation Welfare recipients here. LIVING ON THE TAX MONEY THAT THE REST OF US PAY IN but not WORKING FOR A LIVING THEMSELVES.
I do believe that welfare should be done away with as it exists currently or extremely over hauled and restricted. There will always be MOOCHERS who try to get around the requirements for eligibility such as income limits, property ownership limits, etc. but have you ever stopped to think what the country was like before welfare? Who provided for the poor then?
The answer is the church. Churches used to take care of the poor. It became a mess when the government took it over in the last century.
You make such a stink about our "poor" here in this country. Did you know that the poorest American citizen, because of our present welfare system makes more in a week, sometimes a day, than most all of the developing third world countries poor have for an entire year. Our poor are not so poor after all.
No, we should not turn a deaf ear to the cries of the POOR. We should hear and help them where ever possible because that is what Jesus would do. But there are more ways than the socialist redistribution of wealth from the rich to the poor to do that.
If a man has earned his wealth legally, he should be allowed to keep it and not be forced to give it away to those who niether work or are grateful for the help. I realize that this is not all of the poor. There are many who are genuinely poor. That are trying to do the best that they can with what they have and doing it without stealing or being in volved in illegal activities. There are those who are truly worthy of the help because they either can't work due to illness, physical impairment or some other problem of that sort. But we need to weed out the MOOCHERS.
If a man won't work he should not eat.
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RE: Discussion on the merits of the wealthy-You asked f... - 7/1/2008 11:52:01 AM
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P31W
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As Christians how should christians be different in this area?
topic: the world worships wealth.
Hey Marty,
I found your reply earlier. Thanks. I don't get online much either.
For me I must view it as a stewardship and a tool rather than as something I personally accomplished or gives me any degree of merit. For me it's keeping "my eyes" on what God blessed me with and not trying to look at others who may have more or less than me and trying to judge them and their relationship to God or money.
Sometimes even the using and viewing money/wealth/possessions as a tool can trip me up. I can begin to rely on that tool to accomplish some things that only God can accomplish. (I can throw alot of money, time and resources at someone or something only to be spinning my wheels....so for me .....I have to stop from my busyness and regroup....refocus on God to see if what I am doing with His resources is really "His Will" or mine.)
What do you do or believe?
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