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RE: Is it just me, or is this Obama Watch Central? - 7/8/2008 11:30:16 PM
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GroupW
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Sure we do... Liars...
John
Oh, come on. We get more than that.
Cheats, cheaters, flakes, fruits, nuts, spendthrifts, demagogues, yes-men, and once in a while someone who's actually decent.
BT
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RE: Is it just me, or is this Obama Watch Central? - 7/9/2008 4:23:09 AM
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ORIGINAL: SovereignIsHe
Sure we do... Liars...
John
Oh, come on. We get more than that.
Cheats, cheaters, flakes, fruits, nuts, spendthrifts, demagogues, yes-men, and once in a while someone who's actually decent.
BT
The word "Politics" comes from two words: Poly = many, and ticks = bloodsuckers.
- Julius
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RE: Is it just me, or is this Obama Watch Central? - 7/9/2008 10:10:14 AM
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For the record, as someone who has studied overseas,speaks a foreign language, and has traveled extensively, not only am I frequently embarrassed by other Americans, I also overhear a fair number of conversations & jokes that folks didn't think I could understand. There's a fair number of Europeans that find us extremely amusing in this regard.
It may come as a surprise, but we are not universally held in high esteem across the pond.
BT
Edit: I don't think he's saying stay home. I think he's saying we need to expand our educational horizons & personal interests a bit. Americans do tend to focus on what's happening within our own borders to the exclusion of much else.
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RE: Is it just me, or is this Obama Watch Central? - 7/9/2008 10:19:36 AM
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Edit: I don't think he's saying stay home. I think he's saying we need to expand our educational horizons & personal interests a bit.
First of all GroupW. If this is what he is saying, then who do we blame for the education system we currently have????? They are currently ran by people just like himself. Second: Do the French know how we feel about them? I think they'd be frustrated to know. Finally: If we tend to mind the business in between our own boarders, explain, Iraq, Afghanastan, Viet Nam, Korea, WW's I and II, or any other conflict that we have been involved in trying to help out the rest of the world. Really, the Europeans need to stuff it and worry about who is going to save their sorry selves next time a mass murdering dictator decides to take over the world.
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RE: Is it just me, or is this Obama Watch Central? - 7/9/2008 10:30:43 AM
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Edit: I don't think he's saying stay home. I think he's saying we need to expand our educational horizons & personal interests a bit.
First of all GroupW. If this is what he is saying, then who do we blame for the education system we currently have????? They are currently ran by people just like himself. Second: Do the French know how we feel about them? I think they'd be frustrated to know. Finally: If we tend to mind the business in between our own boarders, explain, Iraq, Afghanastan, Viet Nam, Korea, WW's I and II, or any other conflict that we have been involved in trying to help out the rest of the world. Really, the Europeans need to stuff it and worry about who is going to save their sorry selves next time a mass murdering dictator decides to take over the world.
Personally, as far as our education system goes I think each of us is to blame for not insisting on better and getting involved more. Locally, I know we've not funded the schools appropriately and have only ourselves to blame as we continue to vote down new funding proposals. That isn't necessarily true for your jurisdiction, but it's accurate here.
The French are quite aware, and the French that I know think it's humorous. (There's a certain detachment involved in just being French.)
There is a difference between being active abroad (which we are), and being active in an educated fashion (which we tend not to be.) The question of the Europeans "stuffing it" is actually a decent one - it's historically been true that they spend a lower percentage of their respective GDP's on defense, relying on a large US defense budget to address national security issues. But that's a different topic altogether...
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RE: Is it just me, or is this Obama Watch Central? - 7/9/2008 10:34:32 AM
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Locally, I know we've not funded the schools appropriately and have only ourselves to blame as we continue to vote down new funding proposals.
Are you kidding??? How much more $$$ can we throw at it. Altough I agree that we haven't demanded that those running it do a better job, how the current group of bozo's running our education system stay in their offices is beyond me!! But this is all off topic. And frankly speaking, I don't really care if the French know or not. But thanks
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RE: Is it just me, or is this Obama Watch Central? - 7/9/2008 10:35:04 AM
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Yes, we all liked to be stroked from time to time, but there's a difference between a true compliment and patronization. I don't want a politician (or anyone else) to be merely saying things that they think I want to hear or empty platitudes. I want to know what their real platform is, what they really stand for, if anything.
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I agree with you, but infortunately recent evidence suggests that most people fall into the "feel-good" bucket. I'm very glad to see that you don't. The only thing worse than not voting is to vote in an uneducated fashion.
Unfortunately, in order to get elected, you have to get the votes of "most people." And even the "reasoning" people out there have egos they like stroked occasionally, ears they want to be tickled from time to time, and pet issues they want placed ahead of any other. While a good old fashioned fire and brimstone preacher may not have a problem with stepping on a few toes when he presents the truth, a politician who steps on enough of the wrong toes never gets out of the gate. Those who learn to play the game and play it well survive. The rest turn out to be radio talk show hosts or folk heroes.
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RE: Is it just me, or is this Obama Watch Central? - 7/9/2008 10:42:28 AM
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Locally, I know we've not funded the schools appropriately and have only ourselves to blame as we continue to vote down new funding proposals.
Are you kidding??? How much more $$$ can we throw at it. Altough I agree that we haven't demanded that those running it do a better job, how the current group of bozo's running our education system stay in their offices is beyond me!! But this is all off topic. And frankly speaking, I don't really care if the French know or not. But thanks
Like I said, I know it's true in my locality. I'm glad it's not true in yours.
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how the current group of bozo's running our education system stay in their offices is beyond me!!
As long as parents remain uninvolved in the local school systems, bozo's will remain in place. In our locality, we were able to get a bozo removed in relatively short order. The degree of parental involvement is one of the key characteristics of high performing schools. Think of it as a form of accountability.
Frankly speaking, I don't care if the French know or not either. The French themselves generally don't care what we think. They tend to have some good insights once on a while, so it's possible WE should care a little more once in a while.
BT
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RE: Is it just me, or is this Obama Watch Central? - 7/12/2008 10:27:44 AM
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As far as Americans speaking other languages goes, there is not the need for it that they have in Europe. In Europe, the people can and do travel very easily from country to country like we here in the US travel from state to state. When the neighboring country speaks a different language then it is necessary to learn it and also easier I might add because the different languages spoken in Europe are heard more often by the people there.
In the US we learn mainly Spanish and French, I would imagine this is due to our closest neighbors being Mexico and Canada. It is the same concept as what the Europeans do except the US happens to be a much larger country and therefore not as many people tend to leave it.
If the different states of the US all spoke different languages then I would imagine there would be more people speaking those languages as well. Being that I live close to the border in my state I would know at least 3 languages. It is really a matter of necessity.
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