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RE: Texas man cleared of killing suspected burglars - 7/12/2008 7:48:21 PM
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SovereignIsHe
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Secondly, if it was my neighbors house, I would simply call the police. I love my neighbors, but I am not going to kill to protect their possessions.
How do you know they are simply going there to steal some stuff?
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If they broke into my house. . . if they weren't going to hurt me or my family, they can take whatever they want.
Do you think people that break into homes give out papers with an outline of their intentions?
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If there is imminent danger, then I would do what it would take to stop it. Hopefully it wouldn't mean killing.
Given your view(s) what makes you think you'll be in any position to protect those you are responsible for?
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Even then. . . I still think killing is wrong.
Quite the dilemma... Did david murder Goliath?
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RE: Texas man cleared of killing suspected burglars - 7/12/2008 10:14:13 PM
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1love1God1way
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How do you know they are simply going there to steal some stuff?
Well, since he knew the neighbors weren't home. . .
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Do you think people that break into homes give out papers with an outline of their intentions?
So I just just shoot in case their intentions are more than stealing?
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Given your view(s) what makes you think you'll be in any position to protect those you are responsible for?
I'm not sure I follow, but I do have firearms handy.
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Quite the dilemma... Did david murder Goliath?
I think that if God speaks and asks for us to kill, then it is okay. To just do it on our own merit is unacceptable.
Since David also conquered lands and put women and children to the sword, is it fine if we do that too?
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RE: Texas man cleared of killing suspected burglars - 7/12/2008 10:45:53 PM
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Afraid of the people you call names and make fun of?
Not hardly, just know that Mr. Horn would protect my property as I would his.
Thsnks
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RE: Texas man cleared of killing suspected burglars - 7/13/2008 2:20:15 AM
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Leon_Figg3
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1Love1God1way,
I find your reasonng and understanding of what is written a bit confusing and unrealistic, to say the least.
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How do you know they are simply going there to steal some stuff?
Well, since he knew the neighbors weren't home. . .
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Do you think people that break into homes give out papers with an outline of their intentions?
So I just just shoot in case their intentions are more than stealing?
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Given your view(s) what makes you think you'll be in any position to protect those you are responsible for?
I'm not sure I follow, but I do have firearms handy.
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Quite the dilemma... Did david murder Goliath?
I think that if God speaks and asks for us to kill, then it is okay. To just do it on our own merit is unacceptable.
Since David also conquered lands and put women and children to the sword, is it fine if we do that too?
Point #1. Who knew that the neighbors were out of town? Did the burglersd know? Did you know that Mr Horn knew for a certainty that his neighbors were going to be out of town and that the burglers were there only to steal "stuff"?
From the articles of the case I reviewed, I believe I have come across only one article that indicated that Mr Horn had any glue that his neighbors were going to be out of town.
Point #2. Gun ownership does not releave the owner of responsibility to use it intelligently. Neither does the presence of a gun mean that it is going to be used"willy nilly" If you honestly think that is the case, maybe you shouldn't have access to a gun.
You look at the scene and assess the situation before acting.
Point #3. You do not follow the simple logic that burglers in Texas may know something about Texas gun laws and that weapons may be the very first thing they may be looking for when they break into a house? Without a weapon, how are you going to defend yourself or your family?
You are clearly a pacifist and a believer in non-violence. Just what is the pacifist/ non-violent way of defending ones home and family, or a neighbor's home and family?
Point #4. What exactly does the story of David have to do with the case at hand, or even the question of pne's God given right and responsibility to defend one's family and home, or the family and home of a neighbor?
What does David's killing of Goliath have to do with what he did later in life?
I would venture to say that if you ever had your home burglerized you may very well feel very different about the case, about looking out for our neighbors, and such. After you have been burglerized you loose any sense of security you may have about your home being a safe place. You loose any sense security in your neighborhood because no one looked out for you. All you want to do is move as quickly as you can so you can start over again so you can once again feel safe and secure in your own home and neighborhood.
Mr Horn felt threatened, violated and that the security of his home and neighborhood had been compromised. Mr Horn judged a situation based on what he felt and saw. You have tried, judged, and convicted Mr. Horn based on inconsistant and unreliable newspaper reports. In a sense, aren't you doing the very thing, and worst, that you have judged Mr. Horn of?
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RE: Texas man cleared of killing suspected burglars - 7/13/2008 9:16:24 AM
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I haven't judged Mr. Horn.
Mr. Horn made his intents very clear.
He was going to go out against the orders of the officer (and we could get into a whole discussion about what the Bible says about submitting to authority right here) and shoot them.
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RE: Texas man cleared of killing suspected burglars - 7/13/2008 10:00:38 AM
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If they broke into my house. . . if they weren't going to hurt me or my family, they can take whatever they want.
I can just hear the discourse now.
"Oh Mr. Drug Crazed Thug, are you going to rape my daughter, cut us up into little pieces, and feed us to the tropical fish?"
"Why no Ilive1God1way, we just want to steal the can opener and to use the rest room; then we will be on our merry way. So sit down please so we can tie you to the chair."
"Wow Mr. Drug Crazed Thug, I am sure gald you are not one of those "Bad" thugs."
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RE: Texas man cleared of killing suspected burglars - 7/13/2008 10:18:36 AM
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If they broke into my house. . . if they weren't going to hurt me or my family, they can take whatever they want.
I can just hear the discourse now.
"Oh Mr. Drug Crazed Thug, are you going to rape my daughter, cut us up into little pieces, and feed us to the tropical fish?"
"Why no Ilive1God1way, we just want to steal the can opener and to use the rest room; then we will be on our merry way. So sit down please so we can tie you to the chair."
"Wow Mr. Drug Crazed Thug, I am sure gald you are not one of those "Bad" thugs."
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LOL!! 
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RE: Texas man cleared of killing suspected burglars - 7/13/2008 10:57:04 AM
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Here's a related story. What do you all think of the good samaritan near the end of the video?
20/20: Dash Cam Captures Cop's Murder
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RE: Texas man cleared of killing suspected burglars - 7/13/2008 11:36:54 AM
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Here's a related story. What do you all think of the good samaritan near the end of the video?
20/20: Dash Cam Captures Cop's Murder
I think the samaritan did what he had to do, kenny was trying to reload his gun in an attempt to administer a coup de gras, in my opinion. Kenny is not a sympathetic figure, he had a problem with authority and he killed that cop in cold blood. Watching the cops 9yr old daughter break down during her eulogy of her father was tough to watch.
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RE: Texas man cleared of killing suspected burglars - 7/13/2008 11:41:51 AM
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Ya Kenny came across as spoiled. Sounds like he was used to having his way whether it was legal or not.
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RE: Texas man cleared of killing suspected burglars - 7/13/2008 1:02:15 PM
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Nice to know that we know better than the officer on the scene and the jury that examined all the evidence.
Neither the police nor juries in Texas are incapable of error or did you miss this story?
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RE: Texas man cleared of killing suspected burglars - 7/13/2008 1:04:08 PM
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Easy, cowboy. Put your 6-shooter back in its holster.
I aint no tree hugging libbie. I just think killing is wrong. I'm goofy like that.
What would your actions be if you saw someone breaking into your neighbors house?
I would call the cops and stay inside my house.
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What would your action be if someone was breaking into your own house with you and your family inside?
Thanks
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I would shoot them with any one of the multiple weapons that are within easy reach of me anywhere in my house.
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RE: Texas man cleared of killing suspected burglars - 7/13/2008 2:03:26 PM
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Here's a related story. What do you all think of the good samaritan near the end of the video?
20/20: Dash Cam Captures Cop's Murder
I'm glad he was there. It probably ended up saving another police officer's life who would have had the task of attempting to arrest Kenny later.
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RE: Texas man cleared of killing suspected burglars - 7/13/2008 3:25:09 PM
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I haven't judged Mr. Horn.
Mr. Horn made his intents very clear.
He was going to go out against the orders of the officer (and we could get into a whole discussion about what the Bible says about submitting to authority right here) and shoot them.
What rendition of the story are you reading that said anything about the receipient ordering him to do, or not to do anything?
I admit that I do not have much information about the receipients of 911 calls but from my own experience the people that receive 911 very well may not be experienced police officers. They seem to be people trained to: answer the phone, keep their cool, get information, get and keep the caller calm and busy until officers and other forms of assistance actually arrive at the scene. They have any real authority or ability to have any direct affect on the situation that prompted the call.
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RE: Texas man cleared of killing suspected burglars - 7/13/2008 4:31:55 PM
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I haven't judged Mr. Horn.
Mr. Horn made his intents very clear.
He was going to go out against the orders of the officer (and we could get into a whole discussion about what the Bible says about submitting to authority right here) and shoot them.
What rendition of the story are you reading that said anything about the receipient ordering him to do, or not to do anything?
I admit that I do not have much information about the receipients of 911 calls but from my own experience the people that receive 911 very well may not be experienced police officers. They seem to be people trained to: answer the phone, keep their cool, get information, get and keep the caller calm and busy until officers and other forms of assistance actually arrive at the scene. They have any real authority or ability to have any direct affect on the situation that prompted the call.
It was in fact an officer that answered the call.
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RE: Texas man cleared of killing suspected burglars - 7/13/2008 4:33:37 PM
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If they broke into my house. . . if they weren't going to hurt me or my family, they can take whatever they want.
I can just hear the discourse now.
"Oh Mr. Drug Crazed Thug, are you going to rape my daughter, cut us up into little pieces, and feed us to the tropical fish?"
"Why no Ilive1God1way, we just want to steal the can opener and to use the rest room; then we will be on our merry way. So sit down please so we can tie you to the chair."
"Wow Mr. Drug Crazed Thug, I am sure gald you are not one of those "Bad" thugs."
Thanks
RC
Luke 6:29
If someone strikes you on one cheek, turn to him the other also. If someone takes your cloak, do not stop him from taking your tunic.
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RE: Texas man cleared of killing suspected burglars - 7/13/2008 4:44:31 PM
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rcjames
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Luke 6:29
If someone strikes you on one cheek, turn to him the other also. If someone takes your cloak, do not stop him from taking your tunic.
So then you are saying that you would without resistance let drug crazed thugs rape your wife, children, possibly even you, and then kill you without resistance.
Interesting.
Thanks
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RE: Texas man cleared of killing suspected burglars - 7/13/2008 5:00:43 PM
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Luke 6:29
If someone strikes you on one cheek, turn to him the other also. If someone takes your cloak, do not stop him from taking your tunic.
So then you are saying that you would without resistance let drug crazed thugs rape your wife, children, possibly even you, and then kill you without resistance.
Interesting.
Thanks
RC
All I did was present the words of Christ.
Don't get indignant on me for bringing Him into this discussion.
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RE: Texas man cleared of killing suspected burglars - 7/13/2008 5:10:47 PM
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I read the story. I didn't see any mention of that jury or the officer on the scene admit they screwed up. I didn't see any reports of Mr Horn running anyone down. I also didn't see any officer order Mr horn to stay in his house.
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RE: Texas man cleared of killing suspected burglars - 7/13/2008 5:15:29 PM
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I read the story. I didn't see any mention of that jury or the officer on the scene admit they screwed up. I didn't see any reports of Mr Horn running anyone down. I also didn't see any officer order Mr horn to stay in his house.
You won't find it in the story. You will find it in the phone call. You can listen to it HERE.
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RE: Texas man cleared of killing suspected burglars - 7/13/2008 5:17:01 PM
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You mean the 911 call to the police dispatcher?
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RE: Texas man cleared of killing suspected burglars - 7/13/2008 5:25:23 PM
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I listened to it but I didn't hear about Mr Horn chasing the robbers down, a police officer order him to stay in his house, the jury admit they messed up, or the officer admit Mr Horn murdered those guys.
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RE: Texas man cleared of killing suspected burglars - 7/13/2008 7:22:51 PM
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rcjames
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All I did was present the words of Christ.
Interesting how you take someone slapping one in the face or taking a coat to allowing thugs to destroy one's family while the one stands by being all pius and such.
I believe Scripture tell us that a husband should treat his wife (family) as Christ did the Church--- to be willing to lay down one's life for them.
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RE: Texas man cleared of killing suspected burglars - 7/13/2008 7:27:10 PM
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I never said otherwise. If you go up a few posts, you'll see that I said I would defend my family.
When I posted that Scripture, it was in response to a non-life-threatening situation.
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RE: Texas man cleared of killing suspected burglars - 7/14/2008 1:28:59 AM
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Well, since he knew the neighbors weren't home. . .
How do you know they are simply going there to steal some stuff?
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So I just just shoot in case their intentions are more than stealing?
Are you going to wait till they put one between your eyes before you make up your mind?
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I'm not sure I follow, but I do have firearms handy.
What good are they when you are dead since you seem to be willing to wait for the bad guys to make their intentions clear...
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I think that if God speaks and asks for us to kill, then it is okay. To just do it on our own merit is unacceptable.
Since David also conquered lands and put women and children to the sword, is it fine if we do that too?
I am not the one making claims that killing is wrong...
John
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