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RE: Texas man cleared of killing suspected burglars - 7/15/2008 3:37:21 PM
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Leon_Figg3
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ken1906_4,
With all due respect you are clearly confusing two entirely different situations, ages, and circumstances.
1. A crime (being robbed) is not the same thing as governmental, societal endorsed/ supported persecution/ genocide.
2. Early Christians put their faith and beliefs ahead of their possessions because, for the most part, they had very little. All they truely had was their faith and their beliefs.
3. In the early days of Christianity, Christian beliefs taught people not to put their trust or any value on anything in this world, not even their lives. As a result most early Christians adopted the belief that Christians were to be non-violent in their response to persecution as opposed to the Jews who largely believed in fighting for their beliefs.
4. Early Christians did not have access to the Bible, thus they did not have as full and complete an understanding of the scriptures that we have today. If memory serves me right, it took over a thousand years for church fathers to decide which scriptures were truely inspired by God. What the scriptures said and how they could be best understood separately and worked together to give us some understanding who God is, and what God expects of us. It took almost fifteen hundred years for the church to come to some agreement on the whole issue of the Trinity- God the Father, Jesus the Son, and the Holy Spirit.
< Message edited by Leon_Figg3 -- 7/15/2008 3:46:01 PM >
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RE: Texas man cleared of killing suspected burglars - 7/15/2008 5:35:12 PM
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RE: Texas man cleared of killing suspected burglars - 7/15/2008 7:04:16 PM
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clayton994
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ken1906_4,
With all due respect you are clearly confusing two entirely different situations, ages, and circumstances.
2. Early Christians put their faith and beliefs ahead of their possessions because, for the most part, they had very little. All they truely had was their faith and their beliefs.
3. In the early days of Christianity, Christian beliefs taught people not to put their trust or any value on anything in this world, not even their lives. As a result most early Christians adopted the belief that Christians were to be non-violent in their response to persecution as opposed to the Jews who largely believed in fighting for their beliefs.
Aren't these good attitudes to have, and shouldn't we aspire to these today also? It seems to me that even without the Bible, the early Christians had a better understanding of Christianity than we do today in many respects.
Cheers,
Clayton.
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RE: Texas man cleared of killing suspected burglars - 7/15/2008 7:16:08 PM
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Marcus.
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The Council of Nicea decided what went into the Bibles we have today in 325. We still use the same Bibles today with a few exceptions for some denoms.
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RE: Texas man cleared of killing suspected burglars - 7/15/2008 8:22:20 PM
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Generally the word "murder" is reserved for someone that kills another for personal gain. What do you suppose he wanted out of their death - money, fame, a guest spot with Leno?
Vengence?
How so, it was his neighbor's house robbed? My experience has been that vengence is taken by one wronged.
You may, but the thought has never crossed my mind to take revenge on behalf of a neighbor. Is that a common thing for people to do in your area?
Perhaps vengance against a previous wrong. If he had been robbed in the past he may have wanted to be able to stop someone else from being robbed. Vigilante justice.
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RE: Texas man cleared of killing suspected burglars - 7/15/2008 8:33:21 PM
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"Our scientific power has outrun our spiritual power. We have guided missiles and misguided men."
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So David should have prayed till Goliath's head fell of his shoulders?
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RE: Texas man cleared of killing suspected burglars - 7/15/2008 9:20:41 PM
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"Our scientific power has outrun our spiritual power. We have guided missiles and misguided men."
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So David should have prayed till Goliath's head fell of his shoulders?
John
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RE: Texas man cleared of killing suspected burglars - 7/15/2008 10:47:02 PM
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Leon_Figg3
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Marcus,
Thank you.
I quess I was a bit confused with other apects of Christian history and the centuries long process tthrough which the Bible and basic Christian doctrines came to be understood and worked out.
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RE: Texas man cleared of killing suspected burglars - 7/15/2008 11:01:17 PM
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Leon_Figg3
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ken1906_4,
With all due respect you are clearly confusing two entirely different situations, ages, and circumstances.
2. Early Christians put their faith and beliefs ahead of their possessions because, for the most part, they had very little. All they truely had was their faith and their beliefs.
3. In the early days of Christianity, Christian beliefs taught people not to put their trust or any value on anything in this world, not even their lives. As a result most early Christians adopted the belief that Christians were to be non-violent in their response to persecution as opposed to the Jews who largely believed in fighting for their beliefs.
Aren't these good attitudes to have, and shouldn't we aspire to these today also? It seems to me that even without the Bible, the early Christians had a better understanding of Christianity than we do today in many respects.
Cheers,
Clayton.
Though I may tend to agree with you, to some extent, that the early Christians may have had a better understanding of Christianity than we do today, in many respects, I would hate to think the shape this world would be in if we had not learned more and gained a better understanding of the Scriptures that came to be the Bible along the way
Also, many of the early Christians were a fairly diverse lot, maybe even a little more diverse than we seem to be today.
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RE: Texas man cleared of killing suspected burglars - 7/16/2008 1:13:42 AM
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So David should have prayed till Goliath's head fell of his shoulders?
If I see something evil occurring and my neighbor or his property is in jeopardy I don’t think my God would want me to get down on my knees and pray about it…I think he would want me to take action. That action would depend upon the circumstances and could range from me calling 911 to actual confrontation. It’s difficult for me to say just what I would do until presented with the actual state of affairs. I do know this…all options would be on the table.
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