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RE: Texas man cleared of killing suspected burglars - 7/4/2008 2:57:22 PM
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Marcus.
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Didn't someone post earlier that the cop on the scene said the guys moved towards Mr Horn?
Remember we are getting our facts from a newspaper article. We aren't getting the shooting or forensics reports. Lots is left out. Did they get shot in the back, the backside of the side of their body, or where exactly? Did one turn away while Mr Horn was pulling the trigger? The newspaper normally doesn't get into this level of detail.
Considering the average media type's politics in regards to firearms, I'm sure they wouldn't slant the presentation to make it appear as if it was justified.
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RE: Texas man cleared of killing suspected burglars - 7/4/2008 3:40:16 PM
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The onus isn't on the person defending themselves to know the intentions of the person who is actually illegally. If one enters my home and I will assume that person intends to harm me and or those I am responsible for and I will deal with them in the appropriate manner... I am not going to wait till I am harmed(since that would render me useless to those I am charged with protecting) or someone I am responsible for is harmed before I deal with the threat. If the person was simply there to steal the DVD player that is their issue, not mine and they alone must assume responsiblilty for their actions...
John
Somebody breaking into your home is one thing - in that case, I agree with you. But these burglars didn't break into this guy's home - there's no evidence I am aware of that prior to his exiting the house, they presented any sort of danger to him whatsoever. At worst, they were trespassing in his yard.
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At worst? When is one supposed to make that call... In a breathe simple trespassing in his yard is something far beyond. I for one am not going to wait tell the "bad guys" make their complete intentions known....
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RE: Texas man cleared of killing suspected burglars - 7/4/2008 3:44:04 PM
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No scripture, just logic-
Enough said...
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RE: Texas man cleared of killing suspected burglars - 7/4/2008 3:46:06 PM
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Almost forgot, you do know that "Jeeeeeezzzzz" is a euphemism for "Jesus" don't you?
Absolutely, and I was calling on Jesus to help put some common sense into the flaming liberal that defend criminal behavior.
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No.
I am not defending criminals.
I am saying that murder is wrong. Whether it's a criminal or not that gets shot.
I mean, at least, that's what my Bible tells me.
What is your biblical case for this being murder?
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RE: Texas man cleared of killing suspected burglars - 7/4/2008 3:52:05 PM
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I'm glad Jesus saw the criminal on the cross in a different light than you folks do.
Only in the eternal sense... As for the temporal, both criminals got what they deserved, death....
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RE: Texas man cleared of killing suspected burglars - 7/4/2008 4:51:13 PM
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Surely you aren't saying that just because it's legal it is okay are you?
I am saying that that Texas law should be nationwide law.
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RE: Texas man cleared of killing suspected burglars - 7/4/2008 6:24:57 PM
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Since no one's brought this up yet, I guess I will.
Here goes.
When I lived in Austin, a popular pastime of some UT students was late night "pool hopping", that is, using someones pool without permission while the owner was away or sleep. I live in Georgia now and my neighbor has a pool and she said some kids actually spray painted her house with some offensive graffiti when they were done illegally using her pool.
I was in the army for 23 years and qualified "expert" with my M16. If I had seen them, should I have taken them out?
Of course, I would have warned them first: "Scatter or splatter, it doesn't matter to me!"
I wonder if the verdict, and the sentiment here in this thread would be the same had this been a couple of "hard working" rich white college kids killed, by, say, a black homeowner who claimed he was protecting his own or his neighbors property?
Would you still be cracking jokes and yucking it up and saying they got what they deserved?
Just wondering.
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RE: Texas man cleared of killing suspected burglars - 7/4/2008 6:59:54 PM
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I wonder if the verdict, and the sentiment here in this thread would be the same had this been a couple of "hard working" rich white college kids killed, by, say, a black homeowner who claimed he was protecting his own or his neighbors property?
Would you still be cracking jokes and yucking it up and saying they got what they deserved?
Just wondering.
- Julius
I was thinking something similar. It seems like once they're in your yard, you can kill them no matter what they're doing or there for (to some people)... 
Yep.
And if you do a search, you'll find several instances of people snatching "Obama 08" signs from people's property, as well as vandalizing these signs (i.e. painting swastikas on them) and setting them on fire.
How would some of you good ol' gun tottin' conservative Christian "scatter or splatter" advocates feel when you see the headline, "White teenager blown to bits by Muslim for trespassing in an African-American neighbors yard and attempting to remove an Obama sign"?
- Julius
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RE: Texas man cleared of killing suspected burglars - 7/4/2008 7:20:45 PM
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Living out in the sticks for several years, I've BTDT.
If you merely trespass on my property you won't even know I'm armed.
If you threaten me and I think you're serious, you will be looking down the wrong end of a barrel. I had that happen only once thankfully.
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RE: Texas man cleared of killing suspected burglars - 7/4/2008 8:04:15 PM
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Surely you aren't saying that just because it's legal it is okay are you?
I am saying that that Texas law should be nationwide law.
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RC
But that doesn't answer the question. Just because something is legal does that mean it is okay?
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RE: Texas man cleared of killing suspected burglars - 7/4/2008 8:31:42 PM
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Julius, my relative that robbed me blind is blond and blue eyed and very attractive. I wish he would be put away for life because he's dangerous to society. If he does end up killed he brought it on himself because he won't stop his criminal behavior. I just pray that he doesn't kill someone in his criminal lifestyle. He has played the "got saved and straightened up my life routine" over and over and over again but he's still a sociopath. He's got the coldest and deadest eyes. Honestly it's not about the skin color or religion or ethnicity. It's about the behavior.
The problem with people swimming in someone's pool without permission is that if they get hurt or drown then the homeowner gets sued and often loses. What has happened with teaching people that if it's not yours don't take it without permission or if it's not your yard, home or whatever to stay off and out unless invited?
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RE: Texas man cleared of killing suspected burglars - 7/5/2008 12:20:42 AM
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What has happened with teaching people that if it's not yours don't take it without permission or if it's not your yard, home or whatever to stay off and out unless invited?
Killing them is quite a lesson. That'll show em!
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RE: Texas man cleared of killing suspected burglars - 7/5/2008 12:22:43 AM
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The willingness to kill one's fellow man over things seems to me an affront to the Lord.
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RE: Texas man cleared of killing suspected burglars - 7/5/2008 12:34:14 AM
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What has happened with teaching people that if it's not yours don't take it without permission or if it's not your yard, home or whatever to stay off and out unless invited?
Killing them is quite a lesson. That'll show em!
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RE: Texas man cleared of killing suspected burglars - 7/5/2008 10:58:14 AM
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No that isn't it at all. What my point I was making was what has happened to teaching your children that you just don't steal or trespass on other people's property out of respect?
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RE: Texas man cleared of killing suspected burglars - 7/5/2008 11:22:50 AM
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Walking across someone's yard without permission is quite different than climbing out of their window with a sackful of loot you stole from inside their home. I really don't know how this even came into play as a comparison to the story about Mr. Horn.
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RE: Texas man cleared of killing suspected burglars - 7/5/2008 11:43:01 AM
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Because Mr. Horn said they something like they came in his yard with him so he had to shoot. Then some started saying that was wrong if he wasn't physically threatened... or he was right... then that's how we got on everything else about should one be able to shoot when there isn't a physical threat but someone is in your yard whom you didn't invite (or if they verbally threaten you and try to leave).
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RE: Texas man cleared of killing suspected burglars - 7/5/2008 12:56:16 PM
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No that isn't it at all. What my point I was making was what has happened to teaching your children that you just don't steal or trespass on other people's property out of respect?
by teaching children that if you do something bad like trespass, you should expect to get shot?
in turn teaching children if someone were to trespass on your property, it's ok for them to shoot.
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RE: Texas man cleared of killing suspected burglars - 7/5/2008 1:31:07 PM
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I wonder if the verdict, and the sentiment here in this thread would be the same had this been a couple of "hard working" rich white college kids killed, by, say, a black homeowner who claimed he was protecting his own or his neighbors property?
Would you still be cracking jokes and yucking it up and saying they got what they deserved?
Just wondering.
- Julius
I was thinking something similar. It seems like once they're in your yard, you can kill them no matter what they're doing or there for (to some people)...
Yep.
And if you do a search, you'll find several instances of people snatching "Obama 08" signs from people's property, as well as vandalizing these signs (i.e. painting swastikas on them) and setting them on fire.
How would some of you good ol' gun tottin' conservative Christian "scatter or splatter" advocates feel when you see the headline, "White teenager blown to bits by Muslim for trespassing in an African-American neighbors yard and attempting to remove an Obama sign"?
- Julius
I wonder how you'd feel if those taking the signs were colored folk trying to stir the pot of racsim in order to promote a certain canidate...
John
Okay. I can do that too.
(Edited version of post #209 to make Mr. John happy)
How would you feel if you saw the headline, "Colored Folk blown to bits by Muslim for trespassing in an African-American neighbors yard and attempting to remove an Obama sign, trying to stir the pot of racsim in order to promote a certain canidate "?
Of course, I'd assume this newspaper would do a spell check before they printed this article.
We could even use as a sub-title, "Further proof Obama is a Muslim."
Create any scenario you want, the point is, unless you and/or your family's lives are in immediate danger, is it worth killing someone over?
- Julius
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RE: Texas man cleared of killing suspected burglars - 7/5/2008 1:51:55 PM
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Create any scenario you want, the point is, unless you and/or your family's lives are in immediate danger, is it worth killing someone over?
- Julius
Given folks around here can discern when live begins in the womb I believe the concept of what determines immediate danger is as well wide open to interpretation...
John
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RE: Texas man cleared of killing suspected burglars - 7/5/2008 1:54:18 PM
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We could even use as a sub-title, "Further proof Obama is a Muslim."
- Julius
Nah... Nothing Muslim about Obama... In fact it's insult to Musims to claim he's one...
John
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I am thankful for one thing and that was that my niece who is staying with me wasn't outside when they brazenly stole stuff out of my truck in broad daylight. She usually plays outside when she's at my house because for the last 50 years there were very few if any crimes here. Kids could play outside and be safe. 