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RE: Criticisms of Evolution? - 7/10/2008 9:02:56 PM
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Bettawrekonize
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The point that Method is trying to make is that within the scope of a 9th grade science class, they CAN'T be given the tools to make informed decisions. Unless you've got some kind of genius kids, the subject matter is too broad and too deep to cover well enough to equip them to make this decision. That's why these sorts of discussions are generally relegated to later on in college - because the knowledge and understanding necessary to evaluate these argument takes time to acquire and maturity to comprehend.
I already responded to this by saying
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If the criticisms and opposing views are wrong and 9th graders aren't sophisticated enough to understand evolution enough to be able to understand that the criticisms and opposing views are wrong then they aren't sophisticated enough to understand evolution and if they shouldn't be exposed to criticisms and opposing views then they shouldn't be exposed to evolution either.
They don't have to present sophisticated criticisms and opposing views, the criticisms and opposing views (and alleged refutations) should only be as sophisticated/complicated/difficult to understand as the alleged arguments for evolution presented to them.
They could give these students the tools gradually and they could give them the tools to understand criticisms and opposing views at the same level (with the same level of sophistication) as they do evolution.
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Should taxpayers also decide whether we teach kids astrology, the existence of ufo's, racism, etc?
If they want to teach these subjects, they should also teach criticisms and opposing views. Otherwise, they shouldn't teach these subjects. Likewise, if they want to teach evolution, they should also teach criticisms and opposing views. Otherwise, they shouldn't teach evolution. Most taxpayers would probably say that the subjects you listed should not be taught, but taxpayers as a whole, and not a select few, should decide what should be taught. If they want to teach these subjects they should also teach criticisms and opposing views. Evolution is no different. If a select few want to brainwash students with evolution then they are free to do it with their own money (ie: in private schools), but they shouldn't use federal funding to do so.
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RE: Criticisms of Evolution? - 7/10/2008 11:53:26 PM
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Method
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If they want to teach these subjects, they should also teach criticisms and opposing views.
Getting back to the OP, what are these criticisms?
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RE: Criticisms of Evolution? - 7/11/2008 11:22:11 AM
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If they want to teach these subjects, they should also teach criticisms and opposing views.
Getting back to the OP, what are these criticisms?
The conditions that allow life in the universe can only occur within the restricted values of various physical constants and if these physical constants were just slightly different, there would be no life in the universe. There is just no way that unintelligent forces could choose correctly the value of those physical constants in order for there to be life in the universe. Did life come into existence by accident?
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RE: Criticisms of Evolution? - 7/11/2008 11:27:41 AM
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Method
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The conditions that allow life in the universe can only occur within the restricted values of various physical constants and if these physical constants were just slightly different, there would be no life in the universe. There is just no way that unintelligent forces could choose correctly the value of those physical constants in order for there to be life in the universe. Did life come into existence by accident?
What does this have to do with evolution? The theory of evolution deals with how life changes, and it proposes that specific mechanisms (mutation, selection, speciation) are responsible for the biodiversity we see today. Criticisms of how the universe came about does not throw any of these mechanisms into doubt. If a supernatural deity produced our universe and left it to it's own devices then evolution would still be true.
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RE: Criticisms of Evolution? - 7/11/2008 5:24:52 PM
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The action of the protein they discovered, EpsE, is very similar to that of a car clutch.
http://www.thedesignmatrix.com/content/
As expected, the trend continues
So what evolved first, the protein that stops the flagella or the flagella itself? How? Can you demonstrate this in a lab (independent design)?
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RE: Criticisms of Evolution? - 7/11/2008 5:47:06 PM
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Method
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So what evolved first, the protein that stops the flagella or the flagella itself? How?
Don't know, and I don't think any scientist knows.
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Can you demonstrate this in a lab (independent design)?
Demonstrate the evolution of the flagellum? Nope.
I am fine with these criticsms. These are the same types of criticisms that you can level at any theory in all of the natural sciences. All theories are incomplete, and I have no problem with teachers telling their students this.
Are there solid evolutionary explanations for every single feature in every single species? Nope, and we will never have explanations for every single feature in every single species.
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