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RE: The Dark Knight - 7/20/2008 1:44:48 PM
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How did you guys take the actress switch for the Rachel Dawes character? At first I thought it was makeup or appliances on Katie Holmes to make her look older. IMO they should just do w/o the character if they can't get the original actor. That's the only negative thing I have against the movie offhand.
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RE: The Dark Knight - 7/20/2008 1:54:11 PM
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How did you guys take the actress switch for the Rachel Dawes character? At first I thought it was makeup or appliances on Katie Holmes to make her look older. IMO they should just do w/o the character if they can't get the original actor. That's the only negative thing I have against the movie offhand.
Truthfully, it didn't matter to me whether Katie Holmes or Maggie Gyillennhal (sp?) played the Rachael Dawes character because I never found her very important.
I'm among those who feel that Batman/Bruce Wayne does not need a love interest a la Superman/Lois Lane.
I think the romantic angle simply doesn't work with his character.
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RE: The Dark Knight - 7/20/2008 2:16:20 PM
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I think Maggie Gyllenhaal is infinitely better at acting than Katie Holmes. For a while, it was hard to tell she WASN'T the original actress. She is a much better choice and played the part superbly. I couldn't be happier with it.
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RE: The Dark Knight - 7/20/2008 5:28:41 PM
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How did you guys take the actress switch for the Rachel Dawes character? At first I thought it was makeup or appliances on Katie Holmes to make her look older. IMO they should just do w/o the character if they can't get the original actor. That's the only negative thing I have against the movie offhand.
I was a little worried about the swtich too, but I thought it worked out. I actually prefered Gyllenhaal to Katie Holmes.
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RE: The Dark Knight - 7/20/2008 5:44:11 PM
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For me that always throws me off. I don't see the new actor or actress as that character but as someone new to the story.
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RE: The Dark Knight - 7/20/2008 7:21:31 PM
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Uh, no, it wasn't. More plays by Jim Dobson and the morality police, nitpicking every word and clothing style (tabulating profane words? commenting on women's "low-cut" dresses?). IMO, folks like Dobson and the fundy arm of American Christianity go way overboard criticizing every little thing they disagree with. Another reason I'm so upset at the contemporary American church.  IMNSHO, it's gutless of folks like these to whine and moan and not offer any sound alternatives to entertainment, instead settling on giving us mediocre music (CCM, anyone? ), hacklike writers (Ted Dekker and Frank Peretti come to mind), and terrible movies (more like propaganda a la The Visitation and Thr3e). 
Uh, yes it was. It was very accurate in its analysis and it certainly did not condemn the movie. Granted, it was detailed in its content review. But, that's what family review sites like that (religious or not) are supposed to do. It helps families make informed decisions on whether or not they want to see a movie, after being given the information regarding the kind of content to expect.
I find your labeling Jim Dobson and Focus on the Family as "gutless" to be way off base. Not to mention off topic of this particular thread.
Having said that, I really enjoyed the movie. It was indeed darker than the first. Heath Ledger did an incredible job as The Joker. Wow, he was amazing. I wasn't really bothered by Batman's voice as others have noted. I just viewed it as a tactic to sound different than Bruce Wayne in order to avoid being recognized. Loved the part with the boats and what the big prisoner did.
The movie definitely lived up to all of the hype.
I like Mr. Dobson and his radio show. I like to read the movie reviews sometimes too. I have not read anything on this movie so far. I may like to see this movie if it's not full of nudity or F words. I do like the other Batman's.
I hear it made a bunch of $$$.
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RE: The Dark Knight - 7/20/2008 8:53:25 PM
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After seeing "the Dark Knight", I tried to watch "Batman Forever" today on TNT... within a few minutes I was laughing and reaching for the remote.
I have yet to "get into" a Batman flick. They are so incredibly boring and I'm simply uninterested in Batman.
I really don't expect the Dark Knight to be any different according to my personal taste.
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RE: The Dark Knight - 7/20/2008 9:45:30 PM
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Went to see it Saturday Afternoon and absolutely loved it.
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RE: The Dark Knight - 7/20/2008 11:59:05 PM
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THe movie was well done. It is not perfect but definitely an engaging morality tale and fits the current culture. I go into far more detail of my thought on the movie at my blog. Article found here.
To Highlight, I found the movie fascinating. Definitely uses plenty of symbols and ultimately stress the morality of the greater good and that people when push comes to shove will opt for the greater good. Also references to the potential inherent selfishness and constantly contrasted with choices of self pursuit over greater good.
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RE: The Dark Knight - 7/21/2008 12:28:10 AM
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After seeing "the Dark Knight", I tried to watch "Batman Forever" today on TNT... within a few minutes I was laughing and reaching for the remote. Well, they are two different visions of Batman, one based more off the comic books and one off the graphic novel (which came out in 1986, BTW). The comic book versions are the older ones. I actually like both so I can watch them all and love and appreciate them all. But Christian Bale just absolutely rocks and so does the Dark Knight interpretation of the Batman mythos. The movie was spectacular.
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RE: The Dark Knight - 7/21/2008 12:42:34 AM
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I just saw it and absolutely loved it. I don't think a superhero movie has reached so far beyond the bounds of its genre since Ang Lee's "Hulk" (which I still love, despite what everyone else says). Which isn't to say that "Dark Night" isn't flawed (it is), but it reaches so high and achieves so much of what it reaches for perfectly, that I really can't fault it too much for the flaws that it does have. But despite its flaws, I think it's a landmark in comic book movies. It's raised the bar incredibly high and basically has redefined what the genre can do -so I think all superhero movies coming after it will be forced to measure up, or pale in comparison.
[WARNING MASSIVE SPOILERS BELOW!]
My one problem: it needed to be longer, I think, to fully develop some of the ideas and themes its dealing with. I heard that Nolan's original cut was 3 hours, and he was forced to shorten it, so I actually think it could fulfill its potential if he's allowed to release a directors cut at some point (depending on what he cut). The film felt incredibly rushed at times -the most egregious example being the death of Rachel Dawes. She's a huge character who batman has a huge history with in the films, and Batman is partially responsible for her death, yet they don't give her so much as a funeral. So it felt a bit jarring that after her death, just a few scenes later, the film is back to business like nothing happened (i.e. Alfred joking around, etc) -and it completely threw me out of the movie.
Otherwise everything else was really good. I don't think Nolan has learned how to direct action sequences all that well yet. What's there works fine, but it's nothing spectacular. It's probably the first superhero movie I've ever seen where I actually found myself getting kind of bored during the action sequences and wishing they'd get back to the talking.
As to Ledger he is very good. I think the Joker as a character is neatly wrapped up in this film, so I'm hoping Nolan does the right thing and simply leaves Joker out of the next film, rather than recasting. I think as a catalyst the joker does everything he possibly can do in this film, so there's really no reason to bring him back in the next (what else could he do, really?). I think just letting him ride off into the sunset would be the best tribute to Ledger's performance.
Anyways, that's what I thought.
I will say that it's the first movie in a long time that I want to see again while it's still in theaters.
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RE: The Dark Knight - 7/21/2008 7:09:04 AM
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After seeing "the Dark Knight", I tried to watch "Batman Forever" today on TNT... within a few minutes I was laughing and reaching for the remote. Well, they are two different visions of Batman, one based more off the comic books and one off the graphic novel (which came out in 1986, BTW). The comic book versions are the older ones. I actually like both so I can watch them all and love and appreciate them all. But Christian Bale just absolutely rocks and so does the Dark Knight interpretation of the Batman mythos. The movie was spectacular.
I liked "Batman" and "Batman Returns". I loved "Batman Forever" when it came out (I choose to disbelieve that there was ever a fourth in the series). The contrast was just so overwhelming having just seen "The Dark Knight" the day earlier. The Harvey Dent character alone...
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RE: The Dark Knight - 7/21/2008 8:31:38 AM
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awesome movie!
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One thing that's really nice is the lack of CGI. Leave it to Mr. Nolan to realize you can still put stunts in action movies.
That semi-truck flip stunt on LaSalle Street (when Batman and The Joker were playing chicken) was mind-blowing in how it was pulled off.
That was the single-worst point of the whole movie for me. Going to see a superhero movie, some suspension of disbelief is expected, but anything with a cable and a flipping vehicle just insults my intelligence. It was stupid in Terminator 3 and it was stupid in this movie.
But knowing that it wasn't CG does make it more impressive.
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It was too deep and gruff, but the most annoying thing was how the mask pinched his nose and made him sound VERY nasally while pulling up his upper lip.
I'd bet money that those lines were re-recorded after the fact.
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How did you guys take the actress switch for the Rachel Dawes character? At first I thought it was makeup or appliances on Katie Holmes to make her look older. IMO they should just do w/o the character if they can't get the original actor. That's the only negative thing I have against the movie offhand.
I didn't even remember that it was Katie Holmes until you mentioned it. I'm w/ everybody else - I'd rather see Maggie Gyllenhall.
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RE: The Dark Knight - 7/21/2008 1:37:47 PM
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I think the Joker as a character is neatly wrapped up in this film, so I'm hoping Nolan does the right thing and simply leaves Joker out of the next film, rather than recasting. I think as a catalyst the joker does everything he possibly can do in this film, so there's really no reason to bring him back in the next (what else could he do, really?). I think just letting him ride off into the sunset would be the best tribute to Ledger's performance.
I'd tend to agree with you here. I think Nolan will move onto another bad guy now, although it's fun to fantasize about other actors as The Joker and how they'd put their own spin on the character (e.g. Adrian Brody, Crispin Glover).
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RE: The Dark Knight - 7/21/2008 3:34:10 PM
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I'm heading out to see "TDK" for the second time - this time on IMAX.
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RE: The Dark Knight - 7/21/2008 7:27:27 PM
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Wow. I heard two people who saw it over the weekend say it was horrible. (People I fully expected to really be into it.)
Meh. I don't intend to see it. Don't care about superheroes, never saw a single movie you guys have mentioned in this thread and I didn't even know who Heath Ledger was until he died.
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RE: The Dark Knight - 7/21/2008 7:59:16 PM
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I had planned for a 3:15PM IMAX show today, but was told that that screening and all others until 9AM tomorrow were sold out.
Even the 35mm screening I did manage to get a ticket for was sold-out as well - and on a Monday afternoon, no less.
This movie is doing killer business.
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RE: The Dark Knight - 7/21/2008 8:26:10 PM
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Saw the movie and loved it!!!
I would have liked to see the Harvey Dent character in maybe another sequel instead of what they did in this movie. I thought the actor playing Harvey did a fine job, of course, he couldn't compare with Heath at all. Simply amazing performance.
My favorite scene was when Joker was outside the hospital as well. I thought is was amazing acting without saying any words, just the way he walked and acted in that scene.
I did like though the way they did set up for the possible sequel with Batman's character, could be rather interesting.
I loved Ironman, though this one was much better.
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RE: The Dark Knight - 7/21/2008 10:57:24 PM
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We waited until tonight to see TDK since I know theater will be pack during the weekend. Thankfully, our AMC here charges $5 in all showings from Mon-Thurs. Anyway...going back....I love it. I'm a Jack fan but I think Heath brought it up to another notch. And it's very sad that he died. I think he would have been one of the most respected actor after this movie if he's still around. Maggie is a better actress than Katie Holmes and I'm glad they made the right choice after finding out who were the first few choices for her role.
I have to agree with a couple of posters....the hospital scene was great acting with the Joker.
I don't mind watching it again. Once in awhile-- it's great to have superhero movies made for just the grown ups.
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RE: The Dark Knight - 7/23/2008 9:37:06 AM
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Saw it, thought it was alright, but I wouldn't say it was awesome, excellent, greatest movie, and worth a second viewing though. 
It was a nice summer flick, entertaining too, but once was enough for me.
I agree, the Joker was really good, probably the best character in the entire movie and Ledger's performance of the Joker made the movie IMO.
Without him, I wouldn't have thought the movie was as good.
The transformation of one character into Two Face was not believable to me, it felt rushed and took a backseat to the Joker who put Two Face in his shadow.
I wasn't particularly fond of the the actress that played Wayne's former love interest, but then I wasn't crazy about Katie Holmes either.
She seemed bland and ordinary, not very impressive.
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RE: The Dark Knight - 7/23/2008 7:40:37 PM
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I was contemplating the Joker's monologue to Harvey Dent today, and I was struck to how similar the Joker's rant was to modern day atheists, humanists, and evolutionists. Do you remember the rant?
The Joker was going on about how "everybody has a scheme". The police have a scheme, the mob has a scheme, Batman has a scheme, etc. Then Joker asserts that he has no schemes, that he is just innocently pointing out the futility of schemes. However, he does the same thing the aforementioned atheist/humanist/evolutionist crowd does today when they adamantly deny that they have a religion and a faith. Of COURSE the Joker had his own schemes, just like atheists/humanist/evolutionists have a religious belief based on faith.
Just an observation.
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RE: The Dark Knight - 7/24/2008 2:21:24 AM
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I don't know where to start. Let me say first, that I have recently been heavily convicted about what I allow myself and my family be exposed to. I have for many years kept Christ out of certain areas of my life due to my sinful desires to please myself first, like in choosing the movies I would watch and allow my family to watch. Movies like TDK and any thing that has such a violent and dark(evil) message are certainly not pleasing to God and I could absolutely not invite Christ to watch this or any other movie like it. Imagine sitting with the Savior watching this movie when one of the characters takes HIS holy name in vain. Justify that. You can't, nor can I. I will no longer expose my self or my family to entertainment that gratuitously takes the Lords name in vain, an abomination and blasphemy to our God & Savior and is completely opposite of what our Lord stands for. Shame on us for raving about and enthusiastically supporting such entertainment while calling ourselves Christians, what a hypocrisy! May the Lord forgive us.
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RE: The Dark Knight - 7/24/2008 6:48:43 PM
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Imagine sitting with the Savior watching this movie when one of the [TDK] characters takes HIS holy name in vain.
To my recollection, this never happens in the movie. Maybe you should try learning about your subject matter before jumping onto a holy soapbox to criticize it.
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