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RE: The Dark Knight - 7/25/2008 12:19:10 PM
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renps10
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Dear brother Todd,
The Lord's name is take in vain and miss used in the movie and you apparently missed it. As far as a holy soapbox, God wants us to share the truth and your mocking me and Him too isn't a very Christian thing to do. Maybe I assume too much about the people at this website Crosswalk.com. I am thinking Christians hang out here to encourage, and exhort each other to a greater more holy walk as an authentic born again follower of Christ our Lord. If we are Christ's we should work harder to outwardly act like it and watching movies that degrade His name and what he stands for is inappropriate. If you do not agree with this your argument is with God, not me. His word will show you the way.
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RE: The Dark Knight - 7/25/2008 12:57:59 PM
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I don't know where to start. Let me say first, that I have recently been heavily convicted about what I allow myself and my family be exposed to. I have for many years kept Christ out of certain areas of my life due to my sinful desires to please myself first, like in choosing the movies I would watch and allow my family to watch. Movies like TDK and any thing that has such a violent and dark(evil) message are certainly not pleasing to God and I could absolutely not invite Christ to watch this or any other movie like it. Imagine sitting with the Savior watching this movie when one of the characters takes HIS holy name in vain. Justify that. You can't, nor can I. I will no longer expose my self or my family to entertainment that gratuitously takes the Lords name in vain, an abomination and blasphemy to our God & Savior and is completely opposite of what our Lord stands for. Shame on us for raving about and enthusiastically supporting such entertainment while calling ourselves Christians, what a hypocrisy! May the Lord forgive us.
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Chris(Ren)
I don't know what your post has to do with the topic of the thread.
Everyone wants to discuss the movie, not whether it's okay to watch it.
I really think you should create a new thread if you want to talk about this, you're just taking the thread off topic.
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RE: The Dark Knight - 7/25/2008 3:44:30 PM
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I don't know where to start. Let me say first, that I have recently been heavily convicted about what I allow myself and my family be exposed to. I have for many years kept Christ out of certain areas of my life due to my sinful desires to please myself first, like in choosing the movies I would watch and allow my family to watch. Movies like TDK and any thing that has such a violent and dark(evil) message are certainly not pleasing to God and I could absolutely not invite Christ to watch this or any other movie like it. Imagine sitting with the Savior watching this movie when one of the characters takes HIS holy name in vain. Justify that. You can't, nor can I. I will no longer expose my self or my family to entertainment that gratuitously takes the Lords name in vain, an abomination and blasphemy to our God & Savior and is completely opposite of what our Lord stands for. Shame on us for raving about and enthusiastically supporting such entertainment while calling ourselves Christians, what a hypocrisy! May the Lord forgive us.
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I'm not going to say that your thread is off topic, because essentially you are saying that The Dark Knight is an evil movie and Christians shouldn't be watching it. But I do object to your labeling of The Dark Knight as a movie with a "violent and dark (evil) message." The movie actually has several positive messages throughout. Batman is willing to sacrifice everything he holds dear (his reputation, his chance at a relationship with the woman he loves, etc.) to protect the people of Gotham. The people of Gotham also demonstrate a heightened sense of morality when they are tested with a kill or be killed "experiment" set up by The Joker. Lt. Gordon continues to set a good example for the citizens of Gotham as a trustworthy and honorable police officer. We see the detrimental changes one character undergoes as he chooses to seek revenge on those he feels have wronged him.
The Dark Knight is not what I would consider a movie with an "evil" message. It is darker, but not necessarily in the way you are insinuating. It is dark in that it shows the truly evil nature of the villians and how a person can become corrupted by continually making bad decisions. But Batman is ultimately the hero of the movie and he chooses to make huge personal sacrifices for the people of Gotham.
I wouldn't consider any of that an "evil" or anti-Christian message.
I agree that the Lord's name should not be taken in vain. However, I do not know that I agree with your assertion that this offense completely nullifies the otherwise moral message of the movie. Maybe it does. I'm not going to claim to have the right answer on this one, as it is an issue I have struggled with as well.
Obviously the type of entertainment we as Christians consume is a weighty issue and one that should be considered carefully. I have certain limits on what I will watch: I rarely watch anything above a PG-13 rating and after reading reviews for content, I will often forego PG-13 movies as well. I'm sure most Christians have boundaries for the movies they will watch. However, as your post demonstrates, the limits we set differ from individual to individual. Where to draw the line is important and involves a great deal of discernment on our parts. But, as this thread demonstrates, we will not always agree on where the line should be drawn.
I respect your views and even thought I don't agree with your ultimate conclusion on this particular movie, I do agree that we should be vigilant about the entertainment we allow ourselves and our families to view.
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RE: The Dark Knight - 7/25/2008 7:36:15 PM
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todd_t
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The Lord's name is take in vain and miss used in [TDK], and you apparently missed it.
And considering I've seen this movie twice, and you have not at all, you would know this...how?
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RE: The Dark Knight - 7/25/2008 7:43:40 PM
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Be careful, Ren. When you start chipping at idols, its worshipers get a little testy. Just look for some of my older threads pointing out sinful movies and music ;)
As for TDK, I honestly don't remember there being any uses of God's name as profanity. I think there may have been some, "oh my god" lines spoken, but you really have to stretch to make that into blasphemy of God's name. Just as you shouldn't take someone's word for it that they believe in Jesus until you find out exactly WHICH Jesus they believe in, don't be so quick to assume that an utterance of "oh my god" refers to the real God of the universe. Remember, some people call rocks and trees "god". To me it is as if they are saying, "oh my tree".
As far as the "darkness" of TDK, I have to agree with alias007 on this one. He/she gave you a very good answer and covered some of the major redemptive themes in this movie. The only thing I didn't care for was Batman's closing lines that I mentioned previously. "Sometime the truth isn't good enough".... the truth is always good enough.
Anyways... I really appreciate your zeal but from one promoter of holiness to another, you would be wise to learn to have a more graceful approach and a little more tact in addressing sin issues in another believer's life.
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RE: The Dark Knight - 7/27/2008 12:14:07 AM
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The only 'moral' complaint I have with TDK is that at the theater I was watching this film, a lot of the audience members--probably jam-packed with families, or adolescent-to-young adult group, don't seem to get the whole cerebral, complex ethical themes about among other things, human nature, the consequences of vigilante justice, and the razor-thin, murky morality that goes with choosing difficult decisions in protecting lives and liberty (i.e. the much-talked about analogies with the 9-11 age of wiretapping, public opinions, etc...).
It seems many of the audience members seemed too oblivious to the profound themes in Dark Knight, probably because they're too busy laughing at some of the Joker's sadistic shenanigans... Methinks they're probably using a psychological defense mechanism, to sort of combat the morose but somber, atmosphere of Nolan's Batman.
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RE: The Dark Knight - 7/27/2008 5:18:05 PM
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Am I the only one who thinks Batman & Robin w/ Uma Thurman and The Governator was a really fun movie?
Probably, yes.
lol!
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RE: The Dark Knight - 7/27/2008 6:12:07 PM
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todd_t
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Batman used to just punch guys out and leave them unconscious....or was it dead? Where were all the "Pows" "Biffs" "Bams" and "Ooofs" in little cartoony balloons? AND where were all the camera shots on angles? Didn't seem like true Batman material at all.
I love the old "Batman" TV series, but that is but one version of the Bat-mythos, and frankly, has been been left behind by modern-day writers and fans in favor of a darker take on the character.
But there is no one "true" take on Batman, just several scattered over many decades.
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RE: The Dark Knight - 7/27/2008 6:19:39 PM
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I like this more realistic and brooding Batman.
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RE: The Dark Knight - 7/27/2008 6:34:13 PM
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Judging by the tsunami-like box office that "TDK" is raking in (now over $300M in one week), I think most people would agree with you.
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RE: The Dark Knight - 7/28/2008 12:20:31 AM
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It was OK, but not half as entertaining as Hellboy 2.
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RE: The Dark Knight - 7/29/2008 11:21:56 PM
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I would agree with one of the posters that I am not seeing this because if the fact that it takes the Lord's name in vain. I don't see how I could be entertained by something that demeans my Savior. I won't pay to see the film either because I feel like I am indirectly supporting such disrespect. When it comes to DVD and I can watch it with my ClearPlay player I will most likely rent it or try to find it used so I won't be putting any of my money towards the production company. That is my conviction and I don't intend to make everyone else follow it or agree with it. I agree with the general idea of hollywoodandgod.com .
Since I get free movies though (I work at a theatre) I am trying to get someone to write down where in the film they blaspheme so I can play loud music in my ears for a split second before and of the phrases occur and not hear them. Thankfully my headphones don't leak sound so I won't bother anyone else. If that doesn't work I will have to wait until DVD. Also, I can't let any of my co-workers know I saw the film, or at least let them know what I did to see it. They know I am not seeing it because of the blasphemy and I don't want them to view me as a hypocrite if I go see it. In fact, even if I know where the phrases occur and can effectively mute them out I still have to find a way not to hurt my witness to my co-workers. If I can't do that in good way then I won't be able to go either.
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RE: The Dark Knight - 7/29/2008 11:26:04 PM
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I would agree with one of the posters that I am not seeing this because if the fact that it takes the Lord's name in vain. I don't see how I could be entertained by something that demeans my Savior. I won't pay to see the film either because I feel like I am indirectly supporting such disrespect. When it comes to DVD and I can watch it with my ClearPlay player I will most likely rent it or try to find it used so I won't be putting any of my money towards the production company. That is my conviction and I don't intend to make everyone else follow it or agree with it. I agree with the general idea of hollywoodandgod.com .
Since I get free movies though (I work at a theatre) I am trying to get someone to write down where in the film they blaspheme so I can play loud music in my ears for a split second before and of the phrases occur and not hear them. Thankfully my headphones don't leak sound so I won't bother anyone else. If that doesn't work I will have to wait until DVD. Also, I can't let any of my co-workers know I saw the film, or at least let them know what I did to see it. They know I am not seeing it because of the blasphemy and I don't want them to view me as a hypocrite if I go see it. In fact, even if I know where the phrases occur and can effectively mute them out I still have to find a way not to hurt my witness to my co-workers. If I can't do that in good way then I won't be able to go either.
I've seen this thing said about this movie twice now. I thought the language in the movie was very mild. Ironman and the Indiana Jones movie both were much worse language wise.
For a pg-13 movie it was very tame in the language department, including taking the Lord's name in vain.
You are entitled to your opinion and your convictions though.
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RE: The Dark Knight - 7/29/2008 11:26:13 PM
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Where is God's name taken in vain? I don't remember that.
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RE: The Dark Knight - 7/29/2008 11:28:24 PM
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dwtramm
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Where is God's name taken in vain? I don't remember that.
That's what I was thinking as well. I couldn't remember if there were any of it, but I could be wrong. I did remember about 2 or 3 curse words and for pg-13 that is mild, but I don't remember any of the Lord's name taken in vain.
I'm not saying it wasn't there, just that I don't remember it.
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RE: The Dark Knight - 7/29/2008 11:50:41 PM
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I may have missed it when I went to the restroom but I don't remember hearing it.
But I found this as FotF's Plugged In movie's review on The Dark Knight.
Characters abuse Jesus' name three times, God's name a half-dozen times (once, pairing it with "d--n"). They lob a handful of other curses, including "h---" and "a--."
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RE: The Dark Knight - 7/30/2008 1:48:58 AM
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yep the phrases are there unfortunately. I am going to have to wait until December (every rumor I have seen says this is the DVD release) to see it now  Such a shame, I really wanted to see this film. I really liked the idea of doing something entertaining before having to go back this semester and take more classes.
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RE: The Dark Knight - 7/30/2008 1:50:04 AM
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sgtmattbaker
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check out imdb.com's parental advisory section as well. I kind of agree with hollywoodandgod.com right now. I would recommend checking it out if you haven't already. As far as other films, I didn't see Indiana Jones, Hulk, Get Smart, etc. for the exact same reason. After seeing Iron Man I decided that it wasn't something I should continue to do. There really isn't any use for it in the first place. I would prefer for them to have just had more profanity than to include any instances of blasphemy, but that is Hollywood.
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RE: The Dark Knight - 7/30/2008 4:15:07 AM
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Where is God's name taken in vain? I don't remember that.
There's a total of twenty curse words in the Dark Knight. One of which taking the Lord's name in vain.
That's really mild compared to today's movies.
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) and putting their own convictions into others.
Batman used to just punch guys out and leave them unconscious....or was it dead? Where were all the "Pows" "Biffs" "Bams" and "Ooofs" in little cartoony balloons? AND where were all the camera shots on angles? Didn't seem like true Batman material at all. 
I missed those but I sure enjoyed the Joker, up to true form....what a hoot...especially the scene where he is sitting on top of that enormous pile of money and he only burns "his half". I also loved the scene where he is talking about the people in authority all having "plans and schemes" I just laughed my head off. 
