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RE: Jesse Jackson - 7/11/2008 4:48:07 PM
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No doubt Jesse spoke his mind when he was talking "of the record" the other day on the news. No doubt he apologized because he got caught.
What sort of a thing for a rev to say is that anyway, that he wants to cut another persons privates off?
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RE: Jesse Jackson - 7/12/2008 12:08:57 AM
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This is rumor, but I always heard talk of JJ, having to do woith MLK death. Hewas one of his close right hand men, and was there when he died. I herard he always wanted to be MLK also. I do not know rumor is rumor, and I do not know anymore than anyone else, but he has always wanted power and fame.
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RE: Jesse Jackson - 7/12/2008 12:26:54 AM
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This is rumor, but I always heard talk of JJ, having to do woith MLK death. Hewas one of his close right hand men, and was there when he died. I herard he always wanted to be MLK also. I do not know rumor is rumor, and I do not know anymore than anyone else, but he has always wanted power and fame.
I'm certainly no Jesse Jackson fan, and I truly do not mean to be rude to you lightshineon, but I see no point in posting this. There are a bunch of folks who want power and fame, so that certainly is not justification for such a vile rumor to be posted.
Perhaps a better area for this discussion would be in the conspiracy folder.
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RE: Jesse Jackson - 7/12/2008 12:41:30 AM
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Hi Sophie, I just wanted to say what I have heard for years. I did state I did know if it were true. He always is seeking fame, and attention. It is about the only thing I really know or heard about JJ. I did say it is a conspiracy theroy. It just kind of goes along with the rumor he wants power. Ment no offense. 
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This is rumor, but I always heard talk of JJ, having to do woith MLK death. Hewas one of his close right hand men, and was there when he died. I herard he always wanted to be MLK also. I do not know rumor is rumor, and I do not know anymore than anyone else, but he has always wanted power and fame.
I'm certainly no Jesse Jackson fan, and I truly do not mean to be rude to you lightshineon, but I see no point in posting this. There are a bunch of folks who want power and fame, so that certainly is not justification for such a vile rumor to be posted.
Perhaps a better area for this discussion would be in the conspiracy folder.
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RE: Jesse Jackson - 7/12/2008 12:47:32 AM
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Well as far as Jesse Jackson wanting power let me tell you that is more than just a rumor, it is fact! That is all the man wants, and will most certainly endeavor to make sure all black people feel victimized in order to keep his position! 
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RE: Jesse Jackson - 7/12/2008 12:53:15 AM
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It's even more sad to see a man who does nothing short of trying to destroy race relations in this country represent himself as a "reverend".
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RE: Jesse Jackson - 7/12/2008 1:10:34 AM
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I personally do not know what to make of this whole Jesse Jackson-Obama incident. Considering that both Jackson and Obama are products of Chicago style politics I would say just about anything is possible. It is also possible that once again Jesse shot himself in the foot by displaying his true feelings in front of a microphone he did not consider to be on and recording what he was saying.
I tend to side with the explanation that this was a situation arising out of the fact that there is a sort of "changing of the guard" within the Afro-American/ black community, its "leadership" and spokes people. Exactly what that change is seems to be a little hard to say given Obama's aparent affiliation with the racal views of his spiritual sheperd/ pastor for the last twenty years, as well as his political views and voting record, or lack there of.
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RE: Jesse Jackson - 7/12/2008 1:49:27 AM
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Next time you see clip watch Jesse's facial expression and body language. It looked to me like he is threatening Obama.
I don't know. I didn't watch it that closely but it looked like Jackson's rage was kinda similar to the rage one friend would have toward another when they do something stupid that makes life more difficult for him. Not that I think they are friends but they are political allies (or were?). Remember they both are based in Illinois and I would think they have worked together often in the past. Not that Jackson isn't jealous and its entirely possible Obama better watch Jackson closely. But Jackson also must know that Obama's election is his best chance (well his only chance) to stay relevant via some position in an Obama administration.
That's just my opinion, you may very well be right. I'm sure we'll see a body language expert discuss it at some point (if it hasn't already happened).
I still have to wonder if this isn't all a ruse. Jackson is smart, he has been an influential force in the civil rights conversation for around 40 years. He has been assisted by being one of Dr. King's confidants no doubt but despite his radical positions he has somehow managed to stay relevant for 40 years. That is not a small feat and takes a little more savvy than just saying to black people "poor us". That definitely is the foundation to his influence but he is far from the only one doing it so something must make him stand out. I think that something is political savvy.
Having said that it is iincredibly stupid for Jackson to have made those comments in a Fox News TV studio. IF he did not want them to get out. No matter where you come down on the Fox News favors conservatives argument I think we can all agree that Fox has been hard on Jackson. More importantly, Jackson has said that Fox News has been unfair to him and his pet issues. So for me I can't accept that Jackson "slipped" on Fox News of all places. So yeah, I'm still thinking ruse. I think Jackson can briefly put his ego aside in order for greater gain, like a cabinet position or maybe even the VP (not gonna happen but does Jackson's and his "very positive self image" realize it?).
I think we underestimate Jesse Jackson at our peril.
In any case the McCain campaign should leave this one alone. A rift between Obama and Jackson does absolutely no good for McCain and helps Obama with the moderates. Moderates who know that Jackson is bad news but haven't made up their minds about Obama yet. Moderates that will think "if Jesse Jackson doesn't like Obama maybe he isn't a bad guy". Any attempt by McCain or his supporters to exploit this "rift" will not be a positive thing for them.
BTW: before anyone accuses me of Obama bashing I will say that it is possible that this "ruse", if it happened, may have been set up without Obama's knowledge. Politicians are sneaky no doubt (to put it mildly) but I think campaign managers, operatives, consultants and the like are even worse. That does not apply to the "true believer" volunteers that want to see their candidate elected and do all the non glamorous jobs to make it happen.
BTW2: If anyone thinks I'm bashing Jesse Jackson, you're right. I don't like him at all as a political figure. Although I have made some assertions about his personality traits they are not intended as a personal attack, simply my observations of how the man thinks and acts. These have to be considered in any meaningful analysis of politics. I've tried to be blunt but to stay away from the cheap shots. They do nothing for the quality of political discourse and they speak poorly of whatever position I take. I even edited my post before I sent it to reword a couple of statements that delved into the personal.
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RE: Jesse Jackson - 7/12/2008 3:10:53 AM
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I still have to wonder if this isn't all a ruse. Jackson is smart, he has been an influential force in the civil rights conversation for around 40 years. He has been assisted by being one of Dr. King's confidants no doubt but despite his radical positions he has somehow managed to stay relevant for 40 years. That is not a small feat and takes a little more savvy than just saying to black people "poor us". That definitely is the foundation to his influence but he is far from the only one doing it so something must make him stand out. I think that something is political savvy.
More than Mr. Jackson being savvy the people that look to him have over those 40 year shown they either lack simple discernment or they truly admire the man... Either way they lose...
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I think we underestimate Jesse Jackson at our peril.
I think he felt the need to have his mug on the TV...
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BTW: before anyone accuses me of Obama bashing I will say that it is possible that this "ruse", if it happened, may have been set up without Obama's knowledge. Politicians are sneaky no doubt (to put it mildly) but I think campaign managers, operatives, consultants and the like are even worse.
Most of the elected folks started out as campaign managers, operatives, consultants...
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That does not apply to the "true believer" volunteers that want to see their candidate elected and do all the non glamorous jobs to make it happen.
Heh... Cannon fodder... Living in Northern California all I hear at work and when I am out and about is how great things are going to be once Obama is President... I have asked about 20 people where Obama is from and they have no idea... Funny...
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RE: Jesse Jackson - 7/12/2008 10:53:36 AM
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Heh... Cannon fodder... Living in Northern California all I hear at work and when I am out and about is how great things are going to be once Obama is President... I have asked about 20 people where Obama is from and they have no idea... Funny...
You'd think they would have a sort of crash course on Obama (maybe three hours or something) so they could answer simple questions like that. Funny as you said, and kind of sad.
All campaigns have "true believers" (or at least viable ones), Obama's just happen to be uh ... more idealistic.
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I think he felt the need to have his mug on the TV...
I think you've hit on something here. If Jackson doesn't get his spot in an Obama administration (because there isn't one or Obama says nope) he may become a TV analyst on "race relations" (oh joy ) for CNN or MSNBC. Fox News would love to have him but Jackson would be looking to enhance his power base and reputation along with the big check. I don't think too many Fox News viewers would think Jackson has anything useful to say. Especially compared to CNN's or MSNBC's (few) viewers. CNN is his best bet. He'll have an audience (unlike MSNBC) and many in that audience will at least somewhat agree with what he has to say (unlike Fox).
Look what its done for Al Sharpton. And he's on Fox but O'Reilly appears to like him so that helps Sharpton with Fox's audience.
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RE: Jesse Jackson - 7/12/2008 8:30:21 PM
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The truth is when I see Jackson or shapton on TV, I just flip the channel, they are never for unity even in their own race.
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RE: Jesse Jackson - 7/12/2008 9:34:22 PM
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How does he actually call himself a reverend when he fathered out of wedlock?
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RE: Jesse Jackson - 7/12/2008 10:46:05 PM
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How does he actually call himself a reverend when he fathered out of wedlock?
Interesting in that I looked on Wikipedia just to see his credentials (stay with me now ...). I found that he was awarded an honorary "reverendship" (degree in theology) in 1968 (I think) but did not get his earned degree until 2000 (that year I do remember). But when I checked on the source (as should always be done with Wikipedia) I found that info came from his own website. If anyone happens to know a more reliable, neutral souce it would be appreciated. Not that I think he isn't a reverend but if he isn't I'm not going to use the title of Reverend Jackson anymore.
To answer the "question" (I know its rhetorical but ...) I suppose he calls himself a reverend because an institution (Chicago Theological Seminary) conferred that title upon him (honorary then earned). I guess he feels that this case of adultery does not invalidate his reverendship. I'll leave it to the reader to make their own judgment concerning what that says about his character.
I will say he is not alone in doing this FWIW.
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Congrats and best wishes on that.
Don't you have to change the sig every day or does it get out of date sometimes? 
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RE: Jesse Jackson - 7/13/2008 1:04:30 PM
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My question is...why is ol' JJ so upset over the truth Obama was talking about? Are fatherless families a problem....or not?
Jesse Jackson is a race pimp. He is so lost in his own pride and agenda that when someone goes outside of his small minded, ignorant and prejudiced box, he can only retaliate in the manner which truly describes his hate filled politically correct beliefs.
He is no reverand, no christian leader in any way or fashion. A pure hate monger.
He has once again defined his true nature.
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Well said. It always bothers me that he thinks he represents me because I am black.
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RE: Jesse Jackson - 7/13/2008 4:29:22 PM
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Aw shucks Jackson is just concerned about losing his position as cheif extortioner in America.
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