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That's the point of this thread -
whether you're happy or unhappy about it,
whether you think it'll be good or bad,
whether it's a possibility or a probability,

The fact that it's even being discussed nationally is newsworthy.
I'm more interested in what people think on the "why" than the "what if".
If Democrats get "real" control, it's because they were elected; I don't believe most Americans are Socialist!

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ORIGINAL: Lizahana

But, John, I have also noted that McCain is not all that bad on the environment. You know, I could give you a daily update on my flip-flopping from one candidate to the other - would you like that? That way, you wouldn't be putting words into my mouth - come on John, it's a win, win situation!)

You have said you are leaning towards Obama, you argued that both parties support abortion,(which means no matter who you chose they support abortion in your view... ) What words am I putting in your mouth? None...

John

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That's the point of this thread -
whether you're happy or unhappy about it,
whether you think it'll be good or bad,
whether it's a possibility or a probability,

The fact that it's even being discussed nationally is newsworthy.
I'm more interested in what people think on the "why" than the "what if".
If Democrats get "real" control, it's because they were elected; I don't believe most Americans are Socialist!

Here's my attempt to "right the ship"(return to the OP). You're welcome.

No, I am not "happy about it", the fact that most of the GOP is chock full o' RINO's like one of my Senators(Voinovich) with the exception of folks like Hunter, Paul, DeMint, and Coburn of Oklahoma, the congress would be in total liberal meltdown.

It will eventually be good; Many of the gladhanding posers(Trent Lott) are not seeking another term, I have made my opinion known to the OH GOP, that I will not vote for "Cryin' George V., if he seeks another term. There are good conservatives in the ranks, and the old golf buddies need to get out of the way for them. Even my own congressman, Beohner, looks like a deer in the headlights, and if he didn't pull 70 percent of the vote here, I would suggest the same for him

It's more like a probability. It's Obama's election to lose, not McCain's to win.

I too, do not think most Americans are socialist; Just ignorant of the fact that most in DC, want to control every aspect of our lives, and they use(and create) crisis, to gain control. The government that can give you everything you want, can also take everything you have.

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ORIGINAL: SovereignIsHe

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But, John, I have also noted that McCain is not all that bad on the environment. You know, I could give you a daily update on my flip-flopping from one candidate to the other - would you like that? That way, you wouldn't be putting words into my mouth - come on John, it's a win, win situation!)

You have said you are leaning towards Obama, you argued that both parties support abortion,(which means no matter who you chose they support abortion in your view... ) What words am I putting in your mouth? None...

John

Well John, yes - in the past I said I lean towards Obama, and there are days when I lean towards McCain.

I do think it's adorable that you remember - thank you!)

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ORIGINAL: its_GO_time

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That's the point of this thread -
whether you're happy or unhappy about it,
whether you think it'll be good or bad,
whether it's a possibility or a probability,

The fact that it's even being discussed nationally is newsworthy.
I'm more interested in what people think on the "why" than the "what if".
If Democrats get "real" control, it's because they were elected; I don't believe most Americans are Socialist!

Here's my attempt to "right the ship"(return to the OP). You're welcome.

No, I am not "happy about it", the fact that most of the GOP is chock full o' RINO's like one of my Senators(Voinovich) with the exception of folks like Hunter, Paul, DeMint, and Coburn of Oklahoma, the congress would be in total liberal meltdown.

It will eventually be good; Many of the gladhanding posers(Trent Lott) are not seeking another term, I have made my opinion known to the OH GOP, that I will not vote for "Cryin' George V., if he seeks another term. There are good conservatives in the ranks, and the old golf buddies need to get out of the way for them. Even my own congressman, Beohner, looks like a deer in the headlights, and if he didn't pull 70 percent of the vote here, I would suggest the same for him

It's more like a probability. It's Obama's election to lose, not McCain's to win.

I too, do not think most Americans are socialist; Just ignorant of the fact that most in DC, want to control every aspect of our lives, and they use(and create) crisis, to gain control. The government that can give you everything you want, can also take everything you have.

Thanx!

MY "why" is from personal experience - with California Republican politics in the '70s (trying to get Reagan nominated in '76 & '80) and my military experience in Europe in the '80s; plus the last 20 years living in a very conservative state (Nebraska). As someone else in this thread profoudly said - "I didn't leave them, they left me". The fact that Nebraskans have been drifting more toward the center intrigued me, especially because of a "distant" Republican relation holding state office.
My own journey might be described (in decades) as Republican, Moderate, Independent, Democrat. Seeing somewhat the same thing nationally, I wondered what others thought was the reason. I was also curious as to who would just plain deny it!
When I was growing up, Democrats ran the show. Nixon was a breath of fresh air, and was not vilified pre-election '68 by a tenth that Obama is today. There was no (serious) talk of him destroying America; Likewise Republican Congressional candidates pre-90's.
The amount of vitrol and wild speculation about a goverment strongly 2/3 Democratic (President, Congress) ignores history. Americans are by & large moderates, being pulled too far to the left (or right) scares the heck out of them.
To use a sports metaphor - when I hear how a politician must "cover his base" I think of a position coach, a head coach knows you need to touch all 3 bases to get a home run.

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Basball has four bases and a manager, not a head coach...

John

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"I didn't leave them, they left me"

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"I didn't leave them, they left me"

I believe that was Reagan's quote, when he switched from the Dem's to the Repub's.
I know when the GOP has "hit the wall" when they bring up bills, on flag burning(not that I wanna do it, but if you bought the flag... well...), and ammendments to the Constitution for "Marriage Protection"(how's about just going by what's already in the Constitution for starters- there's a novel idea!).

I used to be a "sis boom bah- Republicans, Republicans, rah rah rah", until I seen the members of his own party force Newt Gingrich out, as speaker("you mean you really do want to do this contract with America stuff?), since then I've been a conservative, with Libretarian leanings

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I believe that was Reagan's quote, when he switched from the Dem's to the Repub's.

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I'm going to ask myself 'am I better off now than I was 8 years ago?

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ORIGINAL: SovereignIsHe


Basball has four bases and a manager, not a head coach...

John

Baseball has 3 bases & a Home Plate.
Out here, we call 'em coach -
University of Nebraska, Head Coach

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If you only touch three and head into the dugout one would be called out... A four bagger is a homerun...

As for head coaches in baseball... That's a college thing, not a baseball thing...

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If you only touch three and head into the dugout one would be called out...

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If you only touch three and head into the dugout one would be called out...

You missed a perfectly good chance to use the word abort (you're slipping).

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We're going to need some "grown-ups" in Washington to clean all of this mess up. That means alot of government involvement in alot of things; It can't be helped. We need to fix America for our kids.

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Don't fret 3500 unborn children died today and I'm sure lots of fornication went on...

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ORIGINAL: its_GO_time

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We're going to need some "grown-ups" in Washington to clean all of this mess up. That means alot of government involvement in alot of things; It can't be helped. We need to fix America for our kids.

Well, I don't see any in this current crop. So I'll borrow another Reagan quote;

"Government is not the solution to our problems, Government is the problem"

If I had a mechanic, who not only, couldn't fix my car, but actually made it worse, should I take it back to him/her, and pay them even more? Judging by your statement above, the answer would be yes.

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If I had a mechanic, who not only, couldn't fix my car, but actually made it worse, should I take it back to him/her, and pay them even more? Judging by your statement above, the answer would be yes.

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If I had a mechanic, who not only, couldn't fix my car, but actually made it worse, should I take it back to him/her, and pay them even more? Judging by your statement above, the answer would be yes.

Actually back in the '90s when third party banks were in the process of selling extended warranties for cars and such we were forced to always take the vehicles to the dealer mechanics. That's the only time any of my cars ever went and will ever go to the dealer mechanic is when the warranty says they have to. So you are correct the answer is yes. Unfortunately now that the vehicles even have more electronics in them you almost have to be an electrician as opposed to a mechanic to work on them. :X

Honestly am I the only one who has heard more stories about dealer mechanics than about non-dealer mechanics?

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If I had a mechanic, who not only, couldn't fix my car, but actually made it worse, should I take it back to him/her, and pay them even more? Judging by your statement above, the answer would be yes.

Actually back in the '90s when third party banks were in the process of selling extended warranties for cars and such we were forced to always take the vehicles to the dealer mechanics. That's the only time any of my cars ever went and will ever go to the dealer mechanic is when the warranty says they have to. So you are correct the answer is yes. Unfortunately now that the vehicles even have more electronics in them you almost have to be an electrician as opposed to a mechanic to work on them. :X

Honestly am I the only one who has heard more stories about dealer mechanics than about non-dealer mechanics?

I love small towns in farming communities! (those tractors can be more complicated than my Chevy!)
It takes a major electrical problem for me to take a car to a dealership; even then it's more for expediency than lack of able mechanics.

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Uh... Okay... I was trying to make a word picture, to show that more government, only leads to more problems. And, I would guess that 75% of the things going on in Washington, were never intended to be done on the federal level(which is exactly why they don't do them right, or at all.).

Yet, every election cycle, we have another candidate, promising more, and more from DC, taking responsibility away from the states(where there might be a chance of accountability), and putting in the hands of untouchable bueaurocrats. And for some reason, folks just can't get enough of it.