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RE: L.A. nixes fast food outlets from poor areas - 7/30/2008 10:39:46 PM
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colliefan
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I don't understand what you are asking?stating here.
1) Why would a cultural mindset change be needed?
2) What would the churches do to help change this situation?
Most of the "traditional" soul food involves cooking veggies with fat-back. Desserts such sweet-potato and pecan pie imvolves a great deal of butter/sugar. Biscuits also involve a great deat of butter. Good eating but hard on the ticker.
The reason I say churches is that they still remain an influence in the AA community. They can teach healthy living/cooking courses.
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RE: L.A. nixes fast food outlets from poor areas - 7/30/2008 10:47:23 PM
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That's gonna be a tough one. I would resent the heck out of the gov telling me what I could and could not eat. This is where the gov really crosses the line. They don't want to pay for the medical bills due to "unhealthy eating:, but using the AA community as an example, they have eaten this way for many, many years. Now it's suddenly a concern? More to it, I'm tellin ya.
I'm sorry the gov thinks they should have the right to tell us how and what to eat. If they are so concerned about paying the medical bills, then maybe they should real in the insurance lobbyist.
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RE: L.A. nixes fast food outlets from poor areas - 7/30/2008 10:57:39 PM
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colliefan
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but using the AA community as an example, they have eaten this way for many, many years. Now it's suddenly a concern? More to it, I'm tellin ya.
It's not just the AA community but the whole traditional southern cooking that is unhealthy. Fried chicken, pig pickens, hush puppies. sweet tea, etc are southern staples.
Most people with a lick of sense know the food they eat is unhealthy. But they resent the government trying to force them to change their ways. I grew up SB and most people would have a cow before drinking a simple glass of wine, but they would chow down on the most unhealthy foods in the form of "fellowship dinners."
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RE: L.A. nixes fast food outlets from poor areas - 7/30/2008 10:57:51 PM
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Hey everyone, I just noticed that there is already a thread on this subject that was posted before this was started on July 29th at 2:58 pm. Here is the link.
I missed this post earlier. I didn't see the other thread until after i had posted this one. Didn't mean a duplication. I kept responding to this one because I thought the other one focused more on the political side. I have no issue posting further responses there if this one needs to be closed.
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RE: L.A. nixes fast food outlets from poor areas - 7/31/2008 12:21:33 AM
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The point being to find solutions that minimize the amount of additional power the government receives and the empowerment of people to be a part of the solution to their problems. I believe most good people would rather be a part of the solution rather than have the government do it all for them. And its more likely the solution will actually work.
Excellent point. I think you are right on the money.
Thank you very much.
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RE: L.A. nixes fast food outlets from poor areas - 7/31/2008 1:51:06 AM
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I don't understand what you are asking?stating here.
1) Why would a cultural mindset change be needed?
2) What would the churches do to help change this situation?
Most of the "traditional" soul food involves cooking veggies with fat-back. Desserts such sweet-potato and pecan pie imvolves a great deal of butter/sugar. Biscuits also involve a great deat of butter. Good eating but hard on the ticker.
The reason I say churches is that they still remain an influence in the AA community. They can teach healthy living/cooking courses.
Some of the churches here in the Los Angeles area are doing just that (Promoting heathy cooking). In fact, they are encouraging those to even lose weight because of the 50 Million Pound Challenge, which is spreading over to churches as well.
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RE: L.A. nixes fast food outlets from poor areas - 7/31/2008 6:52:17 AM
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those resturants which are healthy such as a Subway or a Red Lobster or a Olive Garden or other heart-healthy places.
There's nothing healthy about going to Olive Garden and getting a giant plate of pasta smothered with cheese sauce or a caesar salad swimming in dressing. I've only ever been to Red Lobster once, but seafood either fried, stuffed, or drowning in butter isn't all that great, either. Shellfish has a TON of cholesterol.
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RE: L.A. nixes fast food outlets from poor areas - 7/31/2008 9:12:00 AM
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There's nothing healthy about going to Olive Garden and getting a giant plate of pasta smothered with cheese sauce or a caesar salad swimming in dressing. I've only ever been to Red Lobster once, but seafood either fried, stuffed, or drowning in butter isn't all that great, either. Shellfish has a TON of cholesterol.
Well just what would you consider "Eat out" healthy food?
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RE: L.A. nixes fast food outlets from poor areas - 7/31/2008 9:26:57 AM
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There's nothing healthy about going to Olive Garden and getting a giant plate of pasta smothered with cheese sauce or a caesar salad swimming in dressing. I've only ever been to Red Lobster once, but seafood either fried, stuffed, or drowning in butter isn't all that great, either. Shellfish has a TON of cholesterol.
Well just what would you consider "Eat out" healthy food?
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There isn't much, honestly. Ever gotten anything off of the Weightwatcher's section of the menu at Applebee's? Even the salads are miniscule. From what I've seen, it's not until you get to the more expensive restaurants ($20+ per plate) where they start to rely more on spices and high-quality ingredients for flavoring than on heavy sauces/creams/frying/etc.
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RE: L.A. nixes fast food outlets from poor areas - 7/31/2008 12:05:49 PM
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Well just what would you consider "Eat out" healthy food?
Ribeye, T-bone, Porterhouse, etc. Skip the potato, and you're totally set.
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RE: L.A. nixes fast food outlets from poor areas - 7/31/2008 10:39:33 PM
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Ever gotten anything off of the Weightwatcher's section of the menu at Applebee's?
When I was volunteering at a local food bank, some Nutrisystem meals came in a donation. I tried a couple and found out there was a reason they had come in as a donation.
As a single guy, trying to eat healthy (and cheap) is a challenge
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RE: L.A. nixes fast food outlets from poor areas - 8/1/2008 6:35:57 AM
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Ever gotten anything off of the Weightwatcher's section of the menu at Applebee's?
When I was volunteering at a local food bank, some Nutrisystem meals came in a donation. I tried a couple and found out there was a reason they had come in as a donation.
As a single guy, trying to eat healthy (and cheap) is a challenge
I finally bought a gas grill this spring and it was the best $150 I've spent in a long time. Even I can cook decent meals on a grill w/o all the fat & oil of frying.
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RE: L.A. nixes fast food outlets from poor areas - 8/1/2008 8:20:48 AM
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I don't understand what you are asking?stating here.
1) Why would a cultural mindset change be needed?
2) What would the churches do to help change this situation?
Perhaps the Churches in the area could do a community garden, have games/activities for kids (maybe even teach them to garden) while they teach the parents about nutrition?
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RE: L.A. nixes fast food outlets from poor areas - 8/1/2008 9:14:40 AM
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rcjames
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Well just what would you consider "Eat out" healthy food?
Ribeye, T-bone, Porterhouse, etc. Skip the potato, and you're totally set.
When I am eating my "please do not trim the fat off" steak at Outback, I always choose for my vegetable the deep fried onion. Mama alsways told me to eat me veggies.
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RE: L.A. nixes fast food outlets from poor areas - 8/1/2008 5:43:21 PM
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I am not sure, part of me says YEA, But part of me says it is over regulating.
The problem is there are not grocery stores in inner city areas. In addition to this there is no nutrition education withn the Food stamp program. In Ca there is a EBT card that does not give cash. It would be a good idea if the Food Stamp Program had nutrition classes, and promoted certin food that the grocrers could discount. But to many people, mostly working are not educated in nutrition, and simply rely on what is cloe by. FAST FOOD!
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RE: L.A. nixes fast food outlets from poor areas - 8/1/2008 6:17:32 PM
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Who in their right mind would want to put a store or anything of any value in what amounts to a war zone?
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That's the real problem. The major chain groceries or slightly upscale chain restaurants won't go into that area, while liquor stores and franchise fast food will. I should know - the nearest intersection to my house has a Church's and a liquor store.
At the same time, there are also quite a few small independently-run markets and restaurants. I'd like to think that this ban will make it easier for local businesses to get started, but I doubt it. So the ban is only going to hurt; McJobs are still better than no jobs.
As for any effect on diet, the ban alone is a laughable irrelevance.
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RE: L.A. nixes fast food outlets from poor areas - 8/2/2008 10:36:33 PM
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But doesn't the ban send the statement that the residents of the area are too dumb to make their own choice as to what they eat.
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RE: L.A. nixes fast food outlets from poor areas - 8/3/2008 12:41:36 AM
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What do you think about this? Too much government control or is it a decent reason?
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LOS ANGELES - City officials are putting South Los Angeles on a diet.
The City Council voted unanimously Tuesday to place a moratorium on new fast food restaurants in an impoverished swath of the city with a proliferation of such eateries and above average rates of obesity.
... “It’s not where you eat, it’s what you eat.”...
I'm sure that everyone wants to feel that their city government cares about them. For some, that would be that they just stay out of the way unless city services are needed. I'm sure everyone wants a feeling that their city government cares about the appearance of a city, too, that IT looks nice.
However, when all this care includes concern about obesity rates of its citizens, and talk about helping people get healthier- please! Legislation on paper is not going to change a thing other than keep the city courts busy with law suits. What's the rest of the plan? Portions of the city that are underweight- are they going to write up some laws to get that fast food going in there?
This 'it's not where you eat, it's what you eat' thought. Obnoxious! It's neither- it's what activity you have in your life- what you do with what you eat. You could eat the best foods you could know to eat, everything just perfect, and then sit at a computer all day or watch C-Span all day on TV, and you'll put on weight for not burning off any of those calories. Well, C-Span could provide some exercise maybe, some ROFLOL and such, but still, that's not much energy expended.
I wonder if the city has considered folks just might not want to be outside all that much?
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RE: L.A. nixes fast food outlets from poor areas - 8/3/2008 8:38:26 AM
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The problem is there are not grocery stores in inner city areas.
And closing mcdonalds isn't gonna make them sprout up.
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RE: L.A. nixes fast food outlets from poor areas - 8/3/2008 10:00:57 AM
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As a former resident of South Central L.A, this was a long time coming because there are way too many fast food resturants there. These type of restuants are an eyesore and these developers want to dump these restuants in the inner city instead of those developers putting those resturants which are healthy such as a Subway or a Red Lobster or a Olive Garden or other heart-healthy places. And when there are too many Popeyes or Churches or Mickey D's, something is wrong with this picture.
This is the same with markets because people in the inner city has sub-standard foods which has higher prices than those in the more affulent areas such as Beverly Hills--but that is going to change too because people in the inner city are tired of being shortchanged as far as food selection goes and this is just the beginning.
Let the free-market decide these things.. not government.
They can't run themselves correctly, I don't need them trying to dictate my personal life's eating habits.
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