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RE: Once Again... - 8/3/2008 12:55:34 PM
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deliveredarling
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Are you an investor or something? Do you have a stake in the over all perception of the oil companies? I don't covet what they have or don't have. That's so not the point.
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RE: Once Again... - 8/3/2008 1:01:20 PM
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Chew on this one. The world's population is about 6.684 billion people. There profits are at 11 billion. That is a little over 1 million, almost 2 mill per person.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_population
Wouldn't the economy thrive for all persons then?
actually 11 billion divided by the 6.684 billion equals $1.65 dollars profit per person. Really stop trying to inflate your point please.
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It's all about perception. people perceive them to be making record profits, while the rest of us a re struggling.
So since a bunch of fools falsely PERCEIVE something we should demand that a company not make a resonable profit? That is lunacy.
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You can't tell me that the oil companies are out to totally benefit the people, they just aren't. The majority of people who truly benefit others a re dirt poor.....
I have never said they are out to totally benefit the people but their products and services do in fact benefit us. The oil companies also aren't out to do harm to the people. The majority of the people who truly benefit others are not just the dirt poor, people of all stations of life help others. Your assertions otherwise simply show a bias against the rich.
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RE: Once Again... - 8/3/2008 1:07:19 PM
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Are you an investor or something? Do you have a stake in the over all perception of the oil companies? I don't covet what they have or don't have. That's so not the point.
I just have no intrest in seeing people such as yourself base their perceptions on falsehoods and attack any company based on those perceptions. I showed you where mcdonalds makes a far higher profit margin but you don't care about that because you appear to have an axe to grind with oil companies. So gas prices are high and you see the profits as the cause which is far from the truth, they are making a MODEST profit. You also don't seem to care that these companies give millions upon millions to charities and community projects. You only care about tearing them down regardless of the facts.
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RE: Once Again... - 8/3/2008 1:09:06 PM
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deliveredarling
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actually 11 billion divided by the 6.684 billion equals $1.65 dollars profit per person. Really stop trying to inflate your point please.
Rounded up. It's been awhile since you had math hasn't it?
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So since a bunch of fools falsely PERCEIVE something we should demand that a company not make a reasonable profit? That is lunacy.
Well then I guess you'd better take it up with the media then, they propagate it all the time. They DO NOT defend the oil companies.
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I have never said they are out to totally benefit the people but their products and services do in fact benefit us. The oil companies also aren't out to do harm to the people. The majority of the people who truly benefit others are not just the dirt poor, people of all stations of life help others. Your assertions otherwise simply show a bias against the rich.
How old are you?
Live a little longer and see if you don't experience what you are trying to justify.
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RE: Once Again... - 8/3/2008 1:11:48 PM
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Just dont buy their product, then you can sleep peaceful knowing you didnt contribute to those demonic oil companies. simple
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RE: Once Again... - 8/3/2008 1:13:53 PM
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deliveredarling
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I just have no intrest in seeing people such as yourself base their perceptions on falsehoods and attack any company based on those perceptions. I showed you where mcdonalds makes a far higher profit margin but you don't care about that because you appear to have an axe to grind with oil companies.
McDonald's profits don't make groceries go up, it doesn't cause people to lose their jobs, it doesn't keep wars going. Helllooooo!
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RE: Once Again... - 8/3/2008 1:17:40 PM
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ORIGINAL: deliveredarling
Chew on this one. The world's population is about 6.684 billion people. There profits are at 11 billion. That is a little over 1 million, almost 2 mill per person.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_population
Wouldn't the economy thrive for all persons then?
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actually 11 billion divided by the 6.684 billion equals $1.65 dollars profit per person. Really stop trying to inflate your point please.
Rounded up. It's been awhile since you had math hasn't it?
so going from $1.65 to $2,000,000 per person is rounding up??. New math?
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RE: Once Again... - 8/3/2008 1:19:06 PM
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actually 11 billion divided by the 6.684 billion equals $1.65 dollars profit per person. Really stop trying to inflate your point please.
Rounded up. It's been awhile since you had math hasn't it?
1.645721125 does in fact round up to 1.65, i do math everyday thank you. Maybe it is you who needs a refresher.
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Well then I guess you'd better take it up with the media then, they propagate it all the time. They DO NOT defend the oil companies.
You won't get any arguement from me, the media shares the blame but i hold people responsible for verifying the numbers they hang their opinions on.
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How old are you?
Live a little longer and see if you don't experience what you are trying to justify.
What do you mean? I am experiencing the exact same world you are. I however base my opinion on the facts not the scare tactics. I am not justifying anything, i am pointing out the fault in the arguement against the profits that oil companies make.
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RE: Once Again... - 8/3/2008 1:21:50 PM
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deliveredarling
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so going from $1.65 to $2,000,000 per person is rounding up??. New math?
1.6
six is above five....
Nope same old math.
Has it been awhile for you too?
You sure are persnickety today. Unlike you.
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RE: Once Again... - 8/3/2008 1:23:49 PM
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McDonald's profits don't make groceries go up, it doesn't cause people to lose their jobs, it doesn't keep wars going. Helllooooo!
Neither does exxon's profits. The price of oil makes the price of everything go up and Exxon does not set oil prices. My point was that you seem to think an 11% (rounded up) profit is excessive but you see no problem with an 18% profit (or even larger with other companies), this shows that you have an axe to grind which means you are not objective about this.
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RE: Once Again... - 8/3/2008 1:25:41 PM
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1.6
six is above five....
Nope same old math.
1.645721125 does in fact round up to 1.65
I repeat
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RE: Once Again... - 8/3/2008 1:26:46 PM
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deliveredarling
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What do you mean? I am experiencing the exact same world you are. I however base my opinion on the facts not the scare tactics. I am not justifying anything, i am pointing out the fault in the arguement against the profits that oil companies make.
OK, the price of oil. The companies do ahve a say in it. It is their business, you know.
Let's look at what is happening. The price of gas has gone up to record highs. Groceries are seriously up. Incomes are not changing to meet the high prices. Schools are charging surcharges to cover fuel. Taxes must go up because of the fuel prices. Groceries will never decrease because a precedent has been set. Homeless shelters are having severe cut backs due to low donations. food pantries are receiving as many donations because of the cost. What don't you get about their record profits being disturbing. It's the trickle down effect and we haven't even seen the worst yet.
Are you an American? If so, how can you ignore these issues or minimize them?
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RE: Once Again... - 8/3/2008 1:27:37 PM
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HisFish
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so going from $1.65 to $2,000,000 per person is rounding up??. New math?
1.6
six is above five....
Nope same old math.
Has it been awhile for you too?
You sure are persnickety today. Unlike you.
I dont think you get it. It isnt one point six five million, its one dollar and sixty five cents per person, $1.65, redo your math
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RE: Once Again... - 8/3/2008 1:28:49 PM
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deliveredarling
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1.645721125 does in fact round up to 1.65
!.6 billion is closer to 2 billion than it is 1 billion. I repeat.
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RE: Once Again... - 8/3/2008 1:31:09 PM
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HisFish
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1.645721125 does in fact round up to 1.65
!.6 billion is closer to 2 billion than it is 1 billion. I repeat.
you keep repeating the same mistake
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RE: Once Again... - 8/3/2008 1:32:25 PM
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What do you mean? I am experiencing the exact same world you are. I however base my opinion on the facts not the scare tactics. I am not justifying anything, i am pointing out the fault in the arguement against the profits that oil companies make.
OK, the price of oil. The companies do ahve a say in it. It is their business, you know.
Let's look at what is happening. The price of gas has gone up to record highs. Groceries are seriously up. Incomes are not changing to meet the high prices. Schools are charging surcharges to cover fuel. Taxes must go up because of the fuel prices. Groceries will never decrease because a precedent has been set. Homeless shelters are having severe cut backs due to low donations. food pantries are receiving as many donations because of the cost. What don't you get about their record profits being disturbing. It's the trickle down effect and we haven't even seen the worst yet.
Are you an American? If so, how can you ignore these issues or minimize them?
I do not ignore these issues nor do i minimize them. I also don't go trying to find a scapegoat since all that does is prevent us from addressing the real issue. Your constantly insisting that oil companies set prices shows your lack of understanding of the overall economics of the business. Speculation and controls from oil producing nations carry the most weight.
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RE: Once Again... - 8/3/2008 1:32:31 PM
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Can someone please show me the verse where we are suppose to CELEBRATE the rich?
I feeli like I'm missing out on the party!
Can someone (tracydolls) show me the verse where it says take it away from the rich because we are envious that they have it and we don't?
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RE: Once Again... - 8/3/2008 1:34:23 PM
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Chew on this one. The world's population is about 6.684 billion people. There profits are at 11 billion. That is a little over 1 million, almost 2 mill per person.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_population
Wouldn't the economy thrive for all persons then?
It's all about perception. people perceive them to be making record profits, while the rest of us a re struggling. You can't tell me that the oil companies are out to totally benefit the people, they just aren't. The majority of people who truly benefit others a re dirt poor.....
Rethink your math before you get accused of having gone to public schools. It works out to about $2 per person not "1 million, almost 2 mill per person."
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RE: Once Again... - 8/3/2008 1:34:30 PM
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1.645721125 does in fact round up to 1.65
!.6 billion is closer to 2 billion than it is 1 billion. I repeat.
11,000,000,000/6,680,000,000=1.645721125 NOT 1,645,721,125
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RE: Once Again... - 8/3/2008 1:38:41 PM
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Not to put too fine a point on it but if you have a problem understanding the math involved AND you don't take the time to verify your assertions then you are categorically unqualified to comment on the issue.
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RE: Once Again... - 8/3/2008 1:39:25 PM
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deliveredarling
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Speculation and controls from oil producing nations carry the most weight.
it does not change the effects it is having on the economy. I hold the oil companies partly responsible as I do the government as well.
It is always about the bottom line.
I don't find it ethical or even moral. I very well understand business. I just don't see it in the cold, calculating way that these business men see it.
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RE: Once Again... - 8/3/2008 1:42:03 PM
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Speculation and controls from oil producing nations carry the most weight.
it does not change the effects it is having on the economy. I hold the oil companies partly responsible as I do the government as well.
It is always about the bottom line.
I don't find it ethical or even moral. I very well understand business. I just don't see it in the cold, calculating way that these business men see it.
since they are in charge of others money (the shareholders) they are bound both in a business and moral sense to be good stewards of that money.
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RE: Once Again... - 8/3/2008 1:44:08 PM
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since they are in charge of others money (the shareholders) they are bound both in a business and moral sense to be good stewards of that money.
Aaaah the shareholders, they are in it for the betterment of society i suppose.
Being good stewards, they would then recognize the effect they are having on the entire wold market and negotiate a little better.
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RE: Once Again... - 8/3/2008 1:51:56 PM
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Aaaah the shareholders, they are in it for the betterment of society i suppose.
Being good stewards, they would then recognize the effect they are having on the entire wold market and negotiate a little better.
OK one more time the oil companies DO NOT set the price of oil, they buy oil from oil producing countries at the prices the market sets (currently set by speculators mostly)
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