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Invisible_Woman -> RE: Mental Health Issues - One Stop Thread (4/5/2006 5:44:30 PM)
Edited: Decided my response would be more appropriately done in a private message. lauri

Invisible_Woman -> RE: Mental Health Issues - One Stop Thread (4/5/2006 6:28:26 PM)
Quote from the Mission statement of this community: quote: Encouraging and enabling personal involvement in the care of those who are spiritually, emotionally, physically or financially poor.

agapetos -> RE: Mental Health Issues - One Stop Thread (4/6/2006 4:08:00 AM)
Yes, encouraging. Someone who's financially poor can come to these forums and be encoraged ~ but the mission statement doesn't mean that they are going to get money. I strongly agree that the mental health issues folders should be divided. I very strongly disagree that this thread should become the basis of a disagreement between posters and admin. I also very strongly disagree that this thread should be used to continue the discussion. It (the thread) is for support and it is monitored (so that many who have strong views on the usage of meds are not allowed to spout too much) and for that I'm grateful. I've had a recurrent skin infection the past month and am on my second lot of anti-biotics. Because of that my mood has be really affected ~ even more so the past week when I had d&v and couldn't take my meds. Compound that with the fact my regular doc and my nurse are both on leave this week... I'm tired of being poked and prodded. Especially by docs I don't know (as happened yesterday). I'm tired of feeling grim physically ~ and because of that feeling grim mentally as well. I'm tired of petty squabbles. We have a thread. Lets be grateful to admin for that. Please, if you have problems with my post note me. If you have problems with the fact there is only one thread then email Fritz. Let's keep this thread for what it was designed for.

Invisible_Woman -> RE: Mental Health Issues - One Stop Thread (4/6/2006 10:19:46 AM)
Agapetos, Sorry you are feeling bad. Is the weather getting nicer where you are? Is it possible to spend more time outside? Sometimes that can help with the moods. Also what about increasing your exercise during this difficult time, is that at all possible? I'll be praying for you. I sure know that our physical health plays a huge role in our emotional health.

stateofgrace -> RE: Mental Health Issues - One Stop Thread (4/6/2006 10:30:24 AM)
I'll be posting more in my blog, but here is a bit I wanted to get up here, right now. Recently there has been a suggestion that the Mental-Health One Stop thread would benefit from being divided. I heartily concurr. Here are my suggestions: "support threads" - defined as providing encouragement, sharing testimonies, sharing information, while encouraging folks to seek help AT THE LOCAL LEVEL Mental Health: Mood and Anxiey Disorders One-Stop (this would cover Depression, Bipolar, Post-Partum Depression, Genrealized Anxiety Disorder, OCD, Panic Disorder, Social Phobia, etc.). Yes, this a lot of ground, clustered together, but the conditions are related. Mental Health: ADHD One-Stop This thread could be expanced to include learning disabilities/challenges, etc. if desired, even though that is specifically more into the educational section (but many kids with ADHD also have them). Mental Health: Autism and Asperger's One-Stop Mental Health: Eating Disorders One-Stop - we haven't done much with this here, but man, they're out there. A lifelong friend of my older daughter's , a Christian girl, is going through this. Mental Health: Other Conditions One-Stop - for anything not covered in the others. Mental Health: Family and Loved Ones "debate" Mental Health Issues Debate One-Stop - the place where various methods of counseling could be debated, where various theories for the cause and treatment of mental health conditions could be debated. FWIW (shrugs)....

Fritzpw_Admin -> RE: Mental Health Issues - One Stop Thread (4/6/2006 11:00:03 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: stateofgrace I'll be posting more in my blog, but here is a bit I wanted to get up here, right now. Recently there has been a suggestion that the Mental-Health One Stop thread would benefit from being divided. I heartily concurr. Here are my suggestions: "support threads" - defined as providing encouragement, sharing testimonies, sharing information, while encouraging folks to seek help AT THE LOCAL LEVEL Mental Health: Mood and Anxiey Disorders One-Stop (this would cover Depression, Bipolar, Post-Partum Depression, Genrealized Anxiety Disorder, OCD, Panic Disorder, Social Phobia, etc.). Yes, this a lot of ground, clustered together, but the conditions are related. Mental Health: ADHD One-Stop This thread could be expanced to include learning disabilities/challenges, etc. if desired, even though that is specifically more into the educational section (but many kids with ADHD also have them). Mental Health: Autism and Asperger's One-Stop Mental Health: Eating Disorders One-Stop - we haven't done much with this here, but man, they're out there. A lifelong friend of my older daughter's , a Christian girl, is going through this. Mental Health: Other Conditions One-Stop - for anything not covered in the others. Mental Health: Family and Loved Ones "debate" Mental Health Issues Debate One-Stop - the place where various methods of counseling could be debated, where various theories for the cause and treatment of mental health conditions could be debated. FWIW (shrugs).... Thank you for taking the time to share your comments and concerns regarding the decision to create a single One Stop thread for the purpose of mental health. I have addressed the concerns in the Feedback & Help folder. Please take the time to read them. Click Here Further comments in this thread on the topic will be considered off-topic and will be removed without further warning and may result in further action. Please do not reply to this message within the Community. Please email Community@salemwebnetwork.com with questions, comments, or concerns. Please do not send me PMs regarding this message.

agapetos -> RE: Mental Health Issues - One Stop Thread (4/7/2006 2:36:28 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: latic Agapetos, Sorry you are feeling bad. Is the weather getting nicer where you are? Is it possible to spend more time outside? Sometimes that can help with the moods. Also what about increasing your exercise during this difficult time, is that at all possible? The weather is getting better. It's still cold but much brighter, which always seems to lift the spirits. I am doing what I can, but having been sick physically has really sapped my energy and there's a limit to the amount I can get out. And now, to top everything else of I have a throat infection[&:] quote: I'll be praying for you. I sure know that our physical health plays a huge role in our emotional health. Thank you.

Invisible_Woman -> RE: Mental Health Issues - One Stop Thread (4/7/2006 8:50:36 AM)
Agapetos, Even if you just go outside and sit in a chair for 20 minutes, try to make yourself do it even if you don't feel like it. If you wait til you feel like it things may just snowball worse. Even if you just open your door and walk outside and take 30 steps, turn around and come in. Do that several times through out the day. I know it sounds silly and meanial. Try making a list of some things to get done. Even if they are trivial. Check them off as you do them and start to feel like you are accomplishing something. I know it is much harder than it sounds to get yourself moving again after being ill and then rebounding with your mood as well. I am going to pray for you through out the day again. PM me if there is anything even more specific for me to pray for!

agapetos -> RE: Mental Health Issues - One Stop Thread (4/7/2006 1:48:25 PM)
Lactic, thank you for the prayers, they are appreciated. What you suggest makes good sense and it's things I've suggested. But for me, I actually need sometimes to withdraw to get better. My nurse has seen this, as has my doctor. I can often force myself out and about, but it doesn't work. It's not a pity party, it's just withdrawing to do some healing be it physical or mental. It's just what works for me.

Invisible_Woman -> RE: Mental Health Issues - One Stop Thread (4/7/2006 1:52:52 PM)
agapetos, are you saying withdrawing from other people are from going outside at all. I was just suggesting going outside to get into the sunlight and breath some fresh air. Not that you have to be around anyone.

agapetos -> RE: Mental Health Issues - One Stop Thread (4/7/2006 2:12:41 PM)
Yes, I'm getting out. But sometimes I just need to be inside for a while. It's a me thing and while many would consider it unhealthy, it's what works best for me. Kinda like knowing if you can cope without painkillers or whether you do need them for something. I know when I need to be inside and when I need to get out.

Invisible_Woman -> RE: Mental Health Issues - One Stop Thread (4/7/2006 2:19:20 PM)
Is it working? So, if you do feel like just staying in what are you doing indoors to help boost your mood? What has helped in the past when you needed some time besides time itself? Anything?

agapetos -> RE: Mental Health Issues - One Stop Thread (4/7/2006 2:39:04 PM)
Yeah it's working, but then I'm on the up side of things now. Things got somewhat muddled this time round cos I was ill physically and my mood was down. Actually doing nothing works better than anything. Not trying to read or watch tv, or even use forums a great deal. Music most of the time is out because whatever sort I listen to is wrong (and believe me, I've tried most genres!). I get very frustrated by my lack of ability to concentrate on anything and that sends my mood down further. So in order to not do that, I do nothing ~ but try to do some things ~ ie I will get online, if only to surf, I will have the tv on to watch programmes I generally like, even if I don't follow what's happening, I will get hold of a magazine and nose through it. I went to see the doc once for an ear infection in one ear. She said that the ear that hurt looked fine ~ but the ear that I said was fine was very inflamed and commented that I was 'wired wrong'. It's my tongue-in-cheek comment to a lot of things now. What works for most doesn't work for me.

Invisible_Woman -> RE: Mental Health Issues - One Stop Thread (4/7/2006 3:04:56 PM)
You are not so odd[:)] I need time out often. It's like a retreat within my own house and my own agenda. You are doing things, you are listening to your body. How I understand not being able to listen to music. Music is such a mood mover for me. It effects my mood so much that there are times I have to be careful.

stateofgrace -> RE: Mental Health Issues - One Stop Thread (4/10/2006 10:09:46 AM)
I need time out at times too. My husband thought this was just selfishness/laziness untill his counselor explained to him that many people with depression are like this. I'm an introvert by nature, as well, so often after dealing with people I need time to "recharge." Latic, as far as music, I've even made some "Depression Fighter" playlists for iTunes/iPod. #1- this one starts a little more mellow and then goes more upbeat in tempo Healing Waters - Michelle Tumes Breathe - Michael W. Smith Amazing Grace - The Talisen Orchestra Jesu Joy of Man's Desiring - Chloe Agnew Outrageous Grace - Christine Dente, Michelle Tumes The Lord's Prayer - The Talisen Orchestra My Constant One - Michelle Tumes Light the Fire - Fusebox I'll Fly Away - Jars of Clay Blessed Be Your Name - Tree 63 #2 - this one's a little more upbeat, tempo wise Beautiful One - Christine Dente, Michelle Tumes Strong Tower - Newsboys Blessed Be Your Name - Tree 63 I Love Your Ways - Newsboys Cry Holy - Sonic Flood Beautiful Sound - Newsboys Better is One Day - Kutlass It is You - Newsboys I Love Your Ways - Newsboys God Will Lift Up Your Head- Jars of Clay Joy (Let's Be Frank Mix) - Newsboys

Diolectic -> RE: Mental Health Issues - One Stop Thread (4/10/2006 3:36:16 PM)
Since the thread I was posting was moved to this one, I will put my Last response from that to this. quote: ORIGINAL: called2valor have you ever known a person that once they became an alcoholic was ever able to drink again normally? Yes I do know a man who was a drunkerd(alcoholic) but he got saved and now we like to have a nice glass of wine now and then. He is not the exception but the rule. Hebrews 7:25 Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them. quote: your umbrage at it being called a disease by some doesn't negate how it is successfully treated Never able to drink again otherwise falling back into it and always forever being called an alcoholic or a "recovering alcoholic", How is that being called successfully treated? I agree, it is an adiction but we all have a choice to be free, but never call it a disease. We are not accountable for diseases but we are for adictions. Sex addiction is not an addiction because sex is not a need nor can ever be a phisical need. It is a lust accept for under the bond of merriage. Self easteem? Self esteem is a very subtle one. The peoplpe who think that they have low self esteem are the ones who have to high of esteem for them selves than that of reality. they can not live up to the person who they want to be. If thay would just accept themselvs as God created them. they would be humble and walk in humiliy. self-hatred? In fact, it is imposible to hate your self. If you did, you would love when bad things happen to you, but then you would'nt do those bad things to yourself because you love it when it happens. Then you would hate that because nothing bad is happening to your self. It is just imposible to hate your self Self-hatred could lead to self-harm, but this is demonic. Remember Legion, the demoniac? Mark 5:5 And always, night and day, he was in the mountains, and in the tombs, crying, and cutting himself with stones. If the person who is into self-harm isn't possesd, he is surely demonicly oppressed. Loveing ones self first berfore being able to love others? This impleis that one does not love ones self. The truth of the matter is that they do love themselves and God knows that they already do. Mark 12:31 The second most important commandment is this: 'Love your neighbor as you love yourself.' There is no other commandment more important than these two. looking into your past? Why does any one need to look into our passe for any kind of recovery? When we repent of our sin, His blood covers it all! The only thing that matters is the now, will we submitt to Jesus and His Word? quote: you are physically sick you go to an MD, if you have a mental or emotional illness, there are Psychiatric and Psychological professionals No, we get on our knees and pray You can not say that praying will not work, can you? We may go to a mature christian for question to make some things clear. quote: ORIGINAL: Diolectic Damaged emotions? quote: ORIGINAL: called2valor ever hear of Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder? Ever hear of 2Tim 1:7 For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind. This sound mind that we should have is a disiplined and self controled mind which we are able to have. How is Psychology not anti-christ? Anti = other than Anti-christ = other [than Christ people just looking for way to escape a bondagefrom sin without Christ alone.[that's quote: baloney! That is YOUR assumption. I can also see that you have no real knowledge of these issues That's baloney, I do have real knowledge of these issues. It would be foolish to try to refute these subjuects with out knowledge of them. And proove that it isn't looking for an answer to the ills of week faithed, imature christians with out total reliance on Christ and Him alone. quote: and your reaction is an EMOTIONAL one rather than a compassionate or scriptural one. So, what is wrong with an EMOTIONAL responce? Jesus was emotional when He cleaned the Temple calling it a House of Prayer. My reaction is very compassionate because I want people to see through these lies that are so subtle. I want people Heal, forgiven, free, and Mature, and strong so they can get there eyes off themselves and go help the unsave from thing that they shouldn't be bound to. Show me where I am off Scripturaly and I will relent. I will be persuaded if I am prooven wrong from Scripture. You have not shown one scripture to hold your end of this discution. quote: ORIGINAL: Diolectic: People have been taught that prayer doesn't work because of this quote: ORIGINAL: called2valor [I have never seen that. This is a human world and if someone teaches something that is false, you cannot impune an entire discipline or all Theology would be thrown out because of one false doctrine being taught] I am not saying that good christian councile is bad, but mixed with psychology it brings in bad doctrines and bad theology and the like. Have you listened to the psychology my brother has been getting from Exodus international. If it is suposed to help one to become free, why hasn't it for the past 10 years? My brother should be a mature christian now after 10 years, but with all the bad psychology he is getting, it is keeping him retarded in his growth with Christ. EXODUS International ministries(Christian Ministery useing "Christian psychology") deal with homosexuality with inner healing and alot more unChristian beliefs. I could bring other "christian psychology' ministeries up, but I won't. quote: ORIGINAL: Diolectic It is a disservice to other believers not to have them relye on Christ and HIM alone. quote: quote: ORIGINAL: called2valor [Have you ever been to a doctor? Don't go, or it is a sin, because Christ heals us! - Get the picture?] Don't be rediculous, a doctor deals with physical injuries and physical healing, psychology deals with the soul, Hence the word psychology from the greek Psookay, the Soul, Logia, from the greek logos, the word Greek: psyche = soul and logos = word: the study of the soul. We can not know anything of the soul apart from the Word of God and through prayer. quote: ORIGINAL: Diolectic If it makes some ashamed to get help, then all they have to relye on is Jesus, poor guy. quote: ORIGINAL: called2valor [I can see the love of Christ ooozing out of that statement] Why wouldn't you see haveing someone to totaly relye on is Jesus, a loving thing to do? I used sarcasm to show the foolishness of saying that it is a disservice to other believers to warn them of the dangers of psychology and that it is worldly. quote: ORIGINAL: Diolectic A discerning Christian may know to avoid in such matters, but it is the undiscerning that are going to the quacksquote: quote: ORIGINAL: called2valor [then don't go to a quack - go to a reputable person that is sensative to Christian ethics and beliefs] Your answer don't make sence. I say it is the undiscerning that are going to the quacks, and you say to me, "then don't go to a quack" Why not warn of the Quacky teachings to the undiscerning instead of advocating them? It is like trying to teach sound doctrine to the undiscerning while others say it is okay to go to the false teacher of Chrisianity.

stateofgrace -> RE: Mental Health Issues - One Stop Thread (4/10/2006 4:13:23 PM)
So, is this thread now going to be dominated by the pro/anti-psychology debate since that other thread got closed down? I hope not. quote: We may go to a mature christian for question to make some things clear. Probably shouldn't even bother to reply to any of this, but... Not every mature Christian is suited for, or gifted in, counseling and/or discipleship.

pneumatikos1123 -> RE: Mental Health Issues - One Stop Thread (4/10/2006 4:34:28 PM)
Diolectic- I disagree with telling someone who may have mental health issues to avoid psychological help. that is eerily similar to tom cruise's comments to Brooke Shields. While I know you are not endorsing Cruise's space aliens theories, as a Christian I also know that telling someone to refuse professional help and pray instead is irresponsible. Calling psychology "anti-christian" because it is not Christ is kind of ridiculous. Cars are not Christ either, neither are hats or flowers. Therefore, they, by definition, are "anti-christ" also? anti-christian is religious teaching that goes against Christ as a way to salvation. science has made gains in the field of psychology, medical doctors have found chemical imbalances and therapists have found ways to unravel complexes. Wasn't there a Christian Scientist who refused to take his child to a doctor and the child died of diabetes, a treatable ailment If someone is mentally ill and you tell them not to seek medical attention, what if they commit suicide? what if they quit taking those meds that make them quit hearing voices or whatever? I know someone who refuses to use the hearing devices in their child that doctors prescribed. They quote Biblical verses as a reason. The child is losing her hearing as a result and there is an ongoing battle to get the child out of the home. Telling someone to rely on faith and reject medical attention is both dangerous and irresponsible.

womaninchrist -> RE: Mental Health Issues - One Stop Thread (4/11/2006 12:28:23 AM)
I don't think I'll ever understand the double standard that says to seek a psychiatrist's care for a mental illness is anti-christian, while seeking (as an example) an endocrinologist's care for diabetes or a cardiologist for heart problems is being a good steward of your body (or however you want to word "being responsible"). Either seeing a doctor is ok in God's eyes or it's not. There's no biblical basis for saying that seeking a doctor's help for mental illness is an ungodly thing, there's no logical basis for saying that one's ok but the other's not. And there's no basis anywhere for the ever-too-common assumption that illnesses involving the brain (mental illnesses and often epilepsies too) are some sort of positive, undeniable proof of possession or unrepentant sin.

Diolectic -> RE: Mental Health Issues - One Stop Thread (4/11/2006 2:06:11 AM)
quote: stateofgrace: Not every mature Christian is suited for, or gifted in, counseling and/or discipleship. Then find one that is but does not use psychology, but pure sound doctrine. quote: rsoxfan1123: Calling psychology "anti-christian" because it is not Christ is kind of ridiculous. Cars are not Christ either, neither are hats or flowers. Therefore, they, by definition, are "anti-christ" also? If any councilor tries to heal you, or lead you any other way than to Christ for healing, what do you call it? psychology does not lead you to Christ and Him alone to heal or deliver you. If your looking for methods or ways to be psychologicly healed, that is vain. 1Corinth 2:11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God. Only God can heal or give peace to the mind or soul. quote: anti-christian is religious teaching that goes against Christ as a way to salvation. It is not only religious teaching, but any thing that is other than Christ for salvation, deliverance, psychologicle anything. Some psychology sais that some deficit in the relationship of parent is a reason for psychologicle disorders. What garbage is this? Christian approach integrated with the psychological evidence, sais that they have an excellent handle on how to help an individual resolve theire bondages. This is antichrist, because we can't do any thing to resolve bondages. Only Christ can. quote: Science has made gains in the field of psychology, medical doctors have found chemical imbalances and therapists have found ways to unravel complexes. Do you think that God can do this for us if not better? why not ask God to heal you? quote: I know someone who refuses to use the hearing devices in their child that doctors prescribed. They quote Biblical verses as a reason. The child is losing her hearing as a result and there is an ongoing battle to get the child out of the home. Telling someone to rely on faith and reject medical attention is both dangerous and irresponsible. quote: I don't think I'll ever understand the double standard that says to seek a psychiatrist's care for a mental illness is anti-christian, while seeking (as an example) an endocrinologist's care for diabetes or a cardiologist for heart problems is being a good steward of your body (or however you want to word "being responsible"). Either seeing a doctor is ok in God's eyes or it's not. Medical doctors deal with physical ailments and healings, it is ok to see your doctor for thing like that. Psychology deals with the soul and spirit. Go to the Master of our soul;s and spirits quote: Wasn't there a Christian Scientist who refused to take his child to a doctor and the child died of diabetes, a treatable ailment Your talking about a cult here. quote: If someone is mentally ill and you tell them not to seek medical attention, what if they commit suicide? If I tell them not to seek medical attention, I will inturn show them to the saveing power of Christ, They will not commit suicide if they love Him more than theire own life. quote: what if they quit taking those meds that make them quit hearing voices or whatever? If they stop taking Pharmnaceuticals I will pray for them and I will encourage them to pray and God WILL deliver them. Will you say that HE won't? Would you rather be medicated or delivered? quote: womaninchrist: There's no biblical basis for saying that seeking a doctor's help for mental illness is an ungodly thing, there's no logical basis for saying that one's ok but the other's not. And there's no basis anywhere for the ever-too-common assumption that illnesses involving the brain (mental illnesses and often epilepsies too) are some sort of positive, undeniable proof of possession or unrepentant sin. So then there is a biblical basis for seeking a doctor's help for mental illness, right? And there is a logical basis for one being ok but the other's not, right? You have the burden of proof here, and since it is such an important subject, I hope you do have heavy scriptural proof for your beliefes. Please, keep asking questions about specifices and I will give sound biblical advice. ask psychological questions too.

stateofgrace -> RE: Mental Health Issues - One Stop Thread (4/11/2006 8:40:35 AM)
Diolectic, it would be beneficial as far as a conversation if you were to bring up one specific issue, one line of thought, and then allow for a response...instead of typing out a lecture. If someone was to respond to your long post, quoting you in context, their response would be like three screens long!

agapetos -> RE: Mental Health Issues - One Stop Thread (4/12/2006 2:40:08 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: stateofgrace Diolectic, it would be beneficial as far as a conversation if you were to bring up one specific issue, one line of thought, and then allow for a response...instead of typing out a lecture. If someone was to respond to your long post, quoting you in context, their response would be like three screens long! Couldn't agree more. I have a habit of bypassing long posts.

phosadaud -> RE: Mental Health Issues - One Stop Thread (4/12/2006 3:02:14 PM)
Let me share a story: A man is in his home when it starts to flood. He prays to God to deliver him. The waters continue to rise and a man with a boat comes by and offers to save him. He refuses saying that God will save him. The water continues to rise. He scrambles up to the roof and prays again for God to save him. Another man with a boat rows by and offers to save him. He again refuses saying that God will save him. The water continues to rise. This happens one more time. Before long, the water is over his head and he dies. He stands before God and asks, "Why didn't you save me?". God replies, "I tried to 3 times by sending someone in a boat, but you refused". The point, God works in many ways. Mental health issues are caused by so many things. To say that only God can heal by miraculously taking the disorder or disease away is to limit God. I personally, must take a medication every single day to manage a panic disorder. I spent YEARS praying for God to take this from me. YEARS! I had no doubt He could - I've been miraculously healed before but for whatever reason, He chose not to take this thorn from me. A few years ago, I went to my doctor. A believer. He knows my long family history of anxiety and depression. He also knows my personal history (my entire life) of struggles. He prescribed the medication to help. See, my brain didn't have enough of a certain chemical in it. All the medication does is increase the level of that chemical. I am now free from the panic/anxiety attacks. I will probably have to take this medication the rest of my life. That's OK - I thank God everyday for delivering me from the anguish of my disorder. He did it through a medication. Praise the Lord!

called2cross -> RE: Mental Health Issues - One Stop Thread (4/12/2006 3:40:59 PM)
Your advice is dangerous, diolectic. a woman removed her son from his anti-psychotic medicine because The Church of Scientology (I know, it's a cult. It's amazing how much you and these cults have in common) told her much the same thing- the meds were bad. He wound up committing murder and is now locked up. She now recants her advice and is speaking out against this kind of thinking that belongs in the dark ages. Hopefully you don't have kids that need medical attention for a psychological illneess caused by a chemical imbalance, diolectic.

stateofgrace -> RE: Mental Health Issues - One Stop Thread (4/12/2006 3:43:50 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: diolectic Would you rather be medicated or delivered? Well, I assume you also say that to heart patients, and diabetics, and folks with Parkinson's Disease...if you are being consistent, that is.

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