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RE: Mental Health Encouragement. - 3/13/2008 10:11:35 PM
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Allie, I'm sorry that you're having a rough day... I wonder if there's anyone who would be prepared to be with you when your husband sees you so that you don't end up sleeping with him? Or could you meet somewhere neutral. I can understand you not wanting your marriage to end. but what your husband is doing is controlling you and that is wrong. I am so sorry for what you are going through.
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RE: Mental Health Encouragement. - 3/14/2008 12:26:00 AM
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DenimDiva, you're in CA (Calif.) now, right? What I'm about to say presumes that you are... First off, what they're doing is illegal ANYWHERE in the US unless you're direct family (like parent/sibling/child) it's also often viewed as an attempt to avoid/evade payroll taxes. You say you made copies of your time card, do you have a copy in your possession? If you do, contact the state labor commissioner. They can help you collect the back pay - CA has very specific laws about when pay must be paid in relation to posted pay days and they're in violation of said laws. Allie, I'll be praying for you in this, it's tough... Hi to all the rest of you. Me, I'm still playing phone tag with the clinic (since they can't talk to my husband). And after stunts he's pulled yesterday and today, I'll definitely be getting a restraining order and filing for divorce - I just need to find a place to go and how to get there with a service dog in tow and no way to make phone calls. All I'm going to say is I could have called the cops but they may - or may not - have taken him away (they might have just issued a ticket or some such) and I can't afford to risk calling them & them leaving DH here with me.
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RE: Mental Health Encouragement. - 3/14/2008 1:18:11 AM
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Allie- that really stinks as to how he is using you. I would suggest not being alone with him at all. Been there, done that. I hope that things will get better for you. You are on my prayer list. Sis, dad and I had a talk about the job situation. Sis pointed out that I get enough in child support to cover the bills that Liz and I bring in. Sis is also trying to get her business off the ground and she pretty much can't do it because she isn't home during the day, so she needs a secretary. Those are skills that I am strong in. Also, with summer around the corner, she needs someone here full time to take care of her girls. Dad pointed out that if they are not paying me like they should, then I am basically wasting my time. Dad also pointed out that when he starts his chemo that his wife will need some respite and housework help and I do have caregiver experience. Part of my problem is that I didn't want to quit because I would feel like a burden to everyone. I'm not sure when I will give my notice, but I don't plan on being there this time next month. I will still have the problem of no insurance, but I've been dealing with that for over a year now anyway.
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RE: Mental Health Encouragement. - 3/14/2008 3:25:21 AM
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Roberta- that doesn't sound like you would be a burden to anybody, but be helping everybody out!!!!! Yes, you won't be getting a regular paycheck, but cleaning, watching children, secretary work, taking care of your father... all of those are full time jobs in and of themselves plus being a mother on top of it. Don't look at is as being a burden because you aren't bringing money, but look at as a chance to help others in a tangible way. Allie- praying that you have a peace in all of this- I agree you in no way need to be left alone with him- he is using you to fulfill his physical longings and is keeping you on an emotional string and that is not good for you overall womaninchrist- praying that you have wisdom and can figure everything out - you need out of there as soon as possible Thanks everybody for the suggestions. As far as my accountablity partner sharing, you do have to realize that I am in a unique situation right now and so this is partly the way it goes and I did agree with it from the beginning. I don't feel like she shares everything that I say, but issues within the classroom would be something valid to share. But I had already told him basically the same thing earlier in the day so he was already aware of it. I am glad that this long week is just about over. On Monday, I wasn't sure that I would make it till Friday or not, but I am still here, so that is good. And next week is a short week!!! Busy, but short!!!! Hope everybody has a great Friday!!
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RE: Mental Health Encouragement. - 3/14/2008 11:16:03 AM
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ORIGINAL: womaninchrist DenimDiva, you're in CA (Calif.) now, right? What I'm about to say presumes that you are... First off, what they're doing is illegal ANYWHERE in the US unless you're direct family (like parent/sibling/child) it's also often viewed as an attempt to avoid/evade payroll taxes. You say you made copies of your time card, do you have a copy in your possession? If you do, contact the state labor commissioner. They can help you collect the back pay - CA has very specific laws about when pay must be paid in relation to posted pay days and they're in violation of said laws. Allie, I'll be praying for you in this, it's tough... Hi to all the rest of you. Me, I'm still playing phone tag with the clinic (since they can't talk to my husband). And after stunts he's pulled yesterday and today, I'll definitely be getting a restraining order and filing for divorce - I just need to find a place to go and how to get there with a service dog in tow and no way to make phone calls. All I'm going to say is I could have called the cops but they may - or may not - have taken him away (they might have just issued a ticket or some such) and I can't afford to risk calling them & them leaving DH here with me. I think in some states what DenimDiva is also illegal. Under the table operators are in business because people agree to work for them under the table. Just remember there are two sides to the coin.
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RE: Mental Health Encouragement. - 3/14/2008 11:28:24 AM
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ORIGINAL: DenimDiva Allie- that really stinks as to how he is using you. I would suggest not being alone with him at all. Been there, done that. I hope that things will get better for you. You are on my prayer list. Sis, dad and I had a talk about the job situation. Sis pointed out that I get enough in child support to cover the bills that Liz and I bring in. Sis is also trying to get her business off the ground and she pretty much can't do it because she isn't home during the day, so she needs a secretary. Those are skills that I am strong in. Also, with summer around the corner, she needs someone here full time to take care of her girls. Dad pointed out that if they are not paying me like they should, then I am basically wasting my time. Dad also pointed out that when he starts his chemo that his wife will need some respite and housework help and I do have caregiver experience. Part of my problem is that I didn't want to quit because I would feel like a burden to everyone. I'm not sure when I will give my notice, but I don't plan on being there this time next month. I will still have the problem of no insurance, but I've been dealing with that for over a year now anyway. That would be wonderful if you could assist with the family instead. You wouldn't be a burden. You would be performing a very valuable service to those who love you and care about you.
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RE: Mental Health Encouragement. - 3/14/2008 11:33:15 AM
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Part of my problem is that I didn't want to quit because I would feel like a burden to everyone. I'm not sure when I will give my notice, but I don't plan on being there this time next month. Excuse me for being blunt ~ but by helping your sister with her business and childcare, and helping your father's wife, you'll probably be less of a burden than you are right now with all the stress of working 'under the table' and not being paid properly.
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RE: Mental Health Encouragement. - 3/14/2008 3:39:56 PM
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I think in some states what DenimDiva is also illegal. Under the table operators are in business because people agree to work for them under the table. Just remember there are two sides to the coin. Right, I wasn't even thinking about what the employers are doing, I was thinking what DD is doing by accepting compensation under the table is illegal. quote:
Part of my problem is that I didn't want to quit because I would feel like a burden to everyone. I'm not sure when I will give my notice, but I don't plan on being there this time next month. But on the other hand, wouldn't you feel better if you knew you were doing an honest day's work? I know you are probably working hard for this other outfit but is it honest? I would be worried someone would turn me in and cause me all sorts of stress. Your family needs you home with them. It sounds like you would be much more of a help than a burden.
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RE: Mental Health Encouragement. - 3/15/2008 10:07:35 AM
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Allie, I am so sorry about your husband. My husband was being coached by his girlfriend before and during our divorce. It was hard to have another person involved. In the post I wrote that I lost, I was going to tell you that both of you needed to go to counseling before you did this. But after reading your last post, Allie, yes, you are giving in, but you don't want to and he knows you don't want to so that is almost if not rape. Are you telling him you don't want to? I do think that if you have to be in any room with him, yes you should have somebody be there with you, but if you have already been living separately and now you chose to legally dissolve the marriage, you do NOT have to let him in the house when you are there. I just went back and read your first post again. Your husband is manipulating you in so many ways. You pulled a knife out, or actually held it to him? Why, was he in the doorway telling you that you couldn't get out, or was he just telling you that you couldn't leave. Either way that is against the law. You do have a right to defend yourself and if you just had the knife in your hands, then what you were doing was no more wrong that what he did. He is doing the same thing with sex. Allie, stay away from this man. He is mentally abusing you. As for moving the kids to a different state, it is highly unlikely that any court will allow him to do that. Are you keeping a record of the times he comes over and asks for sex? You really need to because if he thinks you are so unfit, because of your mental state, then he is going to have to explain why he is taking advantage of you while you are in that state. He is also using your mental state to get you to sign over your legal rights. That is illegal. You need to be documenting these things. Again, he is wrong, and he is going to use anything he can against you? Why does he want to move out of the state? Does he have family out of the state? Does he have a girlfriend? I don't want you to answer these questions to me and the others in this forum unless you want to, but what I do want you to do is think about these things and remember that this is starting to be a mess already. It can and will get worse if you allow him to use you in the ways he is using you. Are you working with a therapist other than your psych doc? You really need to. Not only will you start to see things more clearly, but you will also be creating a record for any custody battle. In order for him to take the kids away like that, he has to prove you unfit. BUT if you are seeking help from a psych doc, and a therapist, you are showing them that you are keeping your problems under control. And as for that knife thing? No matter what the situation, that was against him, not your kids right? Were your kids around? Hopefully not. But either way, if he is going to use that against you, remember that all that matters is that you are taking care of your kids. How you and him relate without the kids around does not matter in a custody hearing. They only care about the welfare of the kids. Not the ex. I have been there. I listened to my ex tell my son's psych doc (for adhd) how abusive I am to my son becausae of all the horrible things I say to and about my ex in front of my son. Unfortunately for him, that never does happen and when my son had his appointment, he was asked by the doc about the things my ex accused me of, and my son who was 8 at the time told him how he saw things, and those things did not include me yelling, screaming, swearing, or talking his dad down. You need to make sure you are not doing that to your kids either. Not just for court, but NEVER. Your kids are going to be going through alot anyway, they don't need to be involved in the mess of your relationship with him. I could go on and on, but I won't. I am starting to feel bad the more I write this. I don't feel bad for me. I feel bad for you because alot of what you are saying sounds familiar to me. It is hurtful and makes you doubt yourself, but remember this. IT IS MEANT TO AND HE KNOWS WHAT HE IS DOING. In the end, your kids will see that too. Don't sign anything over to him regarding your kids unless you are sure you are not going to be able to be a fit mother. It is so hard to get them back once you do that. Don't let him bully you, and when he comes over, don't let him come in unless you have someone there like the others suggested, and if you can't have someone you know there, call the police and explain that your soon to be ex husband is in the house and you don't feel comfortable being alone with him in the house, or leaving him alone and ask if an officer can be present. Then make your husband stay outside until that officer gets there. They should do that to you. But don't go into details. They don't need them. Just simply tell them you are not comfortable around him and need someone there who can keep the peace if needed. Not only will you not be able to give into him, but if he starts up with his bullying (and it is that) that officer can write a report of what went on in the house, and you now have someone who witnessed it and if you are able, witnessed you keeping your cool which contridicts what your husband is trying to use to get your kids. If he told you to sign papers or he was going to press charges, tell him you will think about it for a while. Then when you don't sign and he does (if he does) press charges, then you can always say that if he thought the kids were truly in danger, he should have filed for a protective order along time ago. My ex has been making the same accusations against me for 10 years now. I always come back with that answer. If I am so abusive, why isn't he doing anything about it. He only threatens when he wants me to give him something. But yet he never follows through. How old are your kids? Are they old enough to talk to a therapist? You should find somebody for them because not only is a divorce hard, but your marriage sounds like there was and still is abuse going on and they do notice that whether they witness it all the time or not. It will help them make this transition a little easier. So anyway, I am not even sure if anything I said makes sense to you, and I have written a book and didn't intend to. I just feel so bad for you and I remember when I was in that spot. It is hard. It is a death of a family. You are going to go through all those same emotions of the death of a loved one. You are going to need support, and you are going to need someone who can be objective to help get you through this, set boundries, and be strong. I have been and will be praying for you. I do wish you well. Tracy
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RE: Mental Health Encouragement. - 3/15/2008 11:00:24 AM
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I've been catching up on my reading here and have some advice: Allie, since I've never been married and I don't have children, all I can suggest is that you follow the recommendations of those who've been there, like MrsTracy72 mentioned in her last post above mine. I'll pray for you as you deal with your situation. womaninchrist, I've read your post and since I've never been in your situation, I'll pray that you'll be able to get things figured out as to what to do with your situation. MrsTracy72, I don't remember what your situation is, but I'm praying for you as you deal with it. Roberta, I agree with everyone else, quitting your job and helping your family will not be a burden to them, but can actually help you, as you could potentially get into trouble with the authorities if you continue to work for these people. They are breaking the law by not giving you all your pay, and if you're not reporting all of your income to the IRS, then I hate to say this, but technically, you'd be considered by them as breaking the law too. I will pray for you also as you deal with your situation. Beth, I'm not familiar with the way that school are managed thee days, but I think that you might want to be careful what you reveal to your friend so what you say won't backfire on you. I've had this happen to me and have regretted it, so it pays to be careful what you say. Pray for God's guidance as to what to say to your friend, so you won't get into any problems. As for me, I'm feeling pretty good, except for some medical issues right now, for which I'm under treatment for. I'm feeling anxious about them, as well as about going to church tonight. One time, I got sick at church, another time I had an anxiety attack. Both times, my friend had to drive me home and miss all or part of the service herself. I don't want to impose that burden on her again, but yet, due to my medical condition, I'm not sure that I want to drive there either, as I don't want to get there and be unable to drive home if something occurs. I'm beginning to wonder if the anxiety attack was part of the devil's plan to keep me from going to church or if it's related to my medical condition, but either way, I haven't felt comfortable going there since both incidents occurred. Also, I'm wondering if I should even be going there anymore. I've asked the pastor about submitting devotionals for the church newsletter and give him samples from previous ones, yet I've not heard back from him. I've also not heard from the leader of the Bible study group who works at the church as to where we're at in the book so I'd know what to read for the next class. Since I mentioned in another Bible class one time about having attempted suicide in the past, I wonder if they think I'm some kind of nut case who shouldn't be involved in ministry in that church. I'm hoping to hear from them soon. If I don't, I may leave this church and never go to church again, because obviously, nobody with a mental illness is a accepabtle Christian in ANY church!
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RE: Mental Health Encouragement. - 3/15/2008 2:10:47 PM
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Also, I'm wondering if I should even be going there anymore. I've asked the pastor about submitting devotionals for the church newsletter and give him samples from previous ones, yet I've not heard back from him. I've also not heard from the leader of the Bible study group who works at the church as to where we're at in the book so I'd know what to read for the next class. Since I mentioned in another Bible class one time about having attempted suicide in the past, I wonder if they think I'm some kind of nut case who shouldn't be involved in ministry in that church. I'm hoping to hear from them soon. If I don't, I may leave this church and never go to church again, because obviously, nobody with a mental illness is a accepabtle Christian in ANY church! Sounds like you have several issues going on here. Firstly, how long ago did you give the devotionals to your pastor? He may be swamped with other things right now, he may have forgotten about them, he may simply not have gotten back to you about them yet. He may even has passed them onto someone who he feels would be more appropriate to judge whether they should go into the newsletter. I guess it kind of depends on how your church newsletter is organised ~ I've been to churches where the pastor has no real input into it because he's got too much else on his plate. As for the Bible study leader ~ perhaps you need to email him or give him a call and remind him that you need this information. It depends when the next class is going to be. I know there are many groups who are having at break right now and he may feel that he doesn't need to respond as quickly as you'd like. While I don't believe that mental health issues should be hushed up, I do believe that there are times and places for them to be discussed. Sometimes people see things differently to the way we intended. Perhaps a fuller explanation than time (or even your feelings) allowed was required by you or perhaps people were a little frightened at what you said. They may simply be cautious for your health ~ ministry can be stressful and emotional, the last thing that they would want would be for you to relapse into feeling the way you felt then. They may also feel that you need some healing yet before going on into ministry. Melissa, I'm not saying that people have to be totally healthy mentally (or even physically). I know several people who've dealt with mental health issues and maintained their ministry (including being pastors) so it can be done. But that doesn't mean that everyone who wants to go into ministry when they feel they are ready should go into it ~ it comes down to when God says they are ready ~ and I rarely believe that is something the individual can decide alone. I had a pastor who was devestated about being rejected by the college he applied to in order to go into the ministry. It's something that he, his wife, elders at his church, his family had all prayed about for a long time and all got the same answer that 'now' was the time for him to apply. He dealt with the rejection and did what the college had suggested ~ worked within the church for a year and reapplied. This time he was accepted. Why did he need that extra year? He doesn't know, he'd done nearly all the ministry roles (if not all) in the church ~ usher/greeter, nursery, childrens, teens, house group leader, the list went on... To decide that no church is going to accept you because of your mental health problems is sad to say the least. Sometimes we need to fight for what is right and show that our 'disabilities' are our 'abilities'. It's not an easy thing to do but it can be done. You have (as many of us have) found acceptance among these forums by many ~ yes, there are many who don't accept us with mental health issues (especially if we take medication) ~ so it is proof that we can be accepted. Sometimes changes are small and slow though.
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RE: Mental Health Encouragement. - 3/15/2008 5:46:06 PM
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Actually, I've kept track of all of my time cards and how much was paid so that I can pay taxes on it. My thoughts are that when I looked at it Biblically, Jesus said to render unto Ceasar what is Ceasar's. Anyway, I go on the 26th to see a nurse practioner who will evaluate my case and make a recommendation for a low-income pdoc. Since I'm almost out of my meds, they should be able to see me fairly quickly and she can give me a prescription to last me for a few days or weeks if need be.
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RE: Mental Health Encouragement. - 3/15/2008 8:48:11 PM
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ORIGINAL: MrsTracy72 Allie, I am so sorry about your husband. My husband was being coached by his girlfriend before and during our divorce. It was hard to have another person involved. In the post I wrote that I lost, I was going to tell you that both of you needed to go to counseling before you did this. But after reading your last post, Allie, yes, you are giving in, but you don't want to and he knows you don't want to so that is almost if not rape. Are you telling him you don't want to? I do think that if you have to be in any room with him, yes you should have somebody be there with you, but if you have already been living separately and now you chose to legally dissolve the marriage, you do NOT have to let him in the house when you are there. I just went back and read your first post again. Your husband is manipulating you in so many ways. You pulled a knife out, or actually held it to him? Why, was he in the doorway telling you that you couldn't get out, or was he just telling you that you couldn't leave. Either way that is against the law. You do have a right to defend yourself and if you just had the knife in your hands, then what you were doing was no more wrong that what he did. He is doing the same thing with sex. Allie, stay away from this man. He is mentally abusing you. As for moving the kids to a different state, it is highly unlikely that any court will allow him to do that. Are you keeping a record of the times he comes over and asks for sex? You really need to because if he thinks you are so unfit, because of your mental state, then he is going to have to explain why he is taking advantage of you while you are in that state. He is also using your mental state to get you to sign over your legal rights. That is illegal. You need to be documenting these things. Again, he is wrong, and he is going to use anything he can against you? Why does he want to move out of the state? Does he have family out of the state? Does he have a girlfriend? I don't want you to answer these questions to me and the others in this forum unless you want to, but what I do want you to do is think about these things and remember that this is starting to be a mess already. It can and will get worse if you allow him to use you in the ways he is using you. Are you working with a therapist other than your psych doc? You really need to. Not only will you start to see things more clearly, but you will also be creating a record for any custody battle. In order for him to take the kids away like that, he has to prove you unfit. BUT if you are seeking help from a psych doc, and a therapist, you are showing them that you are keeping your problems under control. And as for that knife thing? No matter what the situation, that was against him, not your kids right? Were your kids around? Hopefully not. But either way, if he is going to use that against you, remember that all that matters is that you are taking care of your kids. How you and him relate without the kids around does not matter in a custody hearing. They only care about the welfare of the kids. Not the ex. I have been there. I listened to my ex tell my son's psych doc (for adhd) how abusive I am to my son becausae of all the horrible things I say to and about my ex in front of my son. Unfortunately for him, that never does happen and when my son had his appointment, he was asked by the doc about the things my ex accused me of, and my son who was 8 at the time told him how he saw things, and those things did not include me yelling, screaming, swearing, or talking his dad down. You need to make sure you are not doing that to your kids either. Not just for court, but NEVER. Your kids are going to be going through alot anyway, they don't need to be involved in the mess of your relationship with him. I could go on and on, but I won't. I am starting to feel bad the more I write this. I don't feel bad for me. I feel bad for you because alot of what you are saying sounds familiar to me. It is hurtful and makes you doubt yourself, but remember this. IT IS MEANT TO AND HE KNOWS WHAT HE IS DOING. In the end, your kids will see that too. Don't sign anything over to him regarding your kids unless you are sure you are not going to be able to be a fit mother. It is so hard to get them back once you do that. Don't let him bully you, and when he comes over, don't let him come in unless you have someone there like the others suggested, and if you can't have someone you know there, call the police and explain that your soon to be ex husband is in the house and you don't feel comfortable being alone with him in the house, or leaving him alone and ask if an officer can be present. Then make your husband stay outside until that officer gets there. They should do that to you. But don't go into details. They don't need them. Just simply tell them you are not comfortable around him and need someone there who can keep the peace if needed. Not only will you not be able to give into him, but if he starts up with his bullying (and it is that) that officer can write a report of what went on in the house, and you now have someone who witnessed it and if you are able, witnessed you keeping your cool which contridicts what your husband is trying to use to get your kids. If he told you to sign papers or he was going to press charges, tell him you will think about it for a while. Then when you don't sign and he does (if he does) press charges, then you can always say that if he thought the kids were truly in danger, he should have filed for a protective order along time ago. My ex has been making the same accusations against me for 10 years now. I always come back with that answer. If I am so abusive, why isn't he doing anything about it. He only threatens when he wants me to give him something. But yet he never follows through. How old are your kids? Are they old enough to talk to a therapist? You should find somebody for them because not only is a divorce hard, but your marriage sounds like there was and still is abuse going on and they do notice that whether they witness it all the time or not. It will help them make this transition a little easier. So anyway, I am not even sure if anything I said makes sense to you, and I have written a book and didn't intend to. I just feel so bad for you and I remember when I was in that spot. It is hard. It is a death of a family. You are going to go through all those same emotions of the death of a loved one. You are going to need support, and you are going to need someone who can be objective to help get you through this, set boundries, and be strong. I have been and will be praying for you. I do wish you well. Tracy Hi Tracy- I don't mind at all if you write a book on this. I really enjoyed reading your post and it makes a lot of sense. I wanted to answer some of your questions, so here goes. My husband has not been forcing me to have sex with him. I have been willing to because I really miss the intimacy with him and I always hope that this will help him want to reconcile with me. Its definately not helping matters at all and I will definately not be giving into it anymore. I really shouldn't be alone with him because its a huge temptation for me. What can I say, I am still very much in love with the man. My boys are 6.5 and 1.5 and both witnessed the knife incident. The court is ordering my 6.5 year old into counseling and I totally agree with their decision. I am only seeing a Psych doctor right now but will going to counseling in the next couple of weeks. My husband has stated he doesn't want to go and will not work on himself. He still won't admit the fact that at 36, he has no career, no job and is having to file bankruptcy on his business. We are also filing for personal bankruptcy. Yes, its a huge mess financially, too. Its really pathetic. I had to respond to his legal separation paperwork this week. I checked the "dissolution of marriage" box instead of "Legal Separation" and I felt like that is what I needed to do. You all are right about the emotional string he has me on. Checking that box made a lot of sense and I felt a sense of relief, except today, I am having my doubts again! Uggghhh!!! I keep thinking maybe I need to wait on God and just do legal separation right now. What do you all think? We have been separated for about 6 to 7 weeks and I am wanting the marriage but the more he pushes me away and doesn't want to work anything out the more I want to give up. Thanks for your prayers everyone. I so appreciate everyone in this thread!
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RE: Mental Health Encouragement. - 3/15/2008 9:32:00 PM
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Allie, Unfortunately by what you have said, he has already left you. He is just using you now. Don't let him. I had a horrible divorce and all I wanted was to just move on. My husband had already had somebody else, but yet he still had to make it into this bloody war with my child in the middle. We are still paying for that emotionally and financially today. It is not good. Now since my son is older, they are saying more to him, and using him more. You need to make it clear that this needs to be civil. If it isn't, then don't have any contact with him AT ALL. Don't let him intimidate you and use you for sex. You still love him to pieces, but he has made it very clear that he doesn't love you. You aren't going to get him back with sex. He knows that you think that and that is why he comes to you. He knows that you are going to give in. He is taking advantage of you in a sexual way. It is not rape, you are consenting, but you are doing so thinking that you are going to stay married. Just think about that the next time he comes around. You checked the right box. Have the two of you sat down and prayed about this? I am thinking not. Don't worry about the box you checked. You have enough time between now and your finalization to end these proceedings. But if you are being manipulated by this person, there is more going on than that. Either you don't see it, or you don't want to talk about it, and I wouldn't want to air it all out either. But God will lead you and he does NOT want you with someone who is abusive. You have been separated for 7 weeks. Who is he living with? Is he seeing somebody? Ask him. I bet he tells you. According to the state you live in, you are married, but legally separated with a divorce proceedings in process. He has nothing to lose by admitting that to you now. Be strong and know that God will pick you up and get you where you need to go. But you need to be praying about this every day. When you wake up in the morning, when you have a quiet few minutes in the afternoon, and before you go to sleep at night. Where are your kids staying now? Are you able to see them? Does he have them? Since you have checked off that you want the marriage dissolved, until you have a parenting agreement in place, he can keep them and not let them see you until you go to court and get one. I am not trying to scare you just telling you how it is. You are in for a very bumpy road and I do hope and pray that you have someone close to you who is strong and willing to help you because you are going to need it. You are in my prayers. Tracy
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RE: Mental Health Encouragement. - 3/15/2008 9:37:46 PM
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ORIGINAL: DenimDiva Actually, I've kept track of all of my time cards and how much was paid so that I can pay taxes on it. My thoughts are that when I looked at it Biblically, Jesus said to render unto Ceasar what is Ceasar's. I can understand the point you're making Roberta, but you're still working while it's against the law and still condoning your 'employers' in this. I don't know how the law stands in the US, but will they look any differently on you for paying your taxes to someone who doesn't pay their taxes? I'm sorry if this upsets you ~ it's not my intention. I admire you for wanting to work and support your daughter, but you sound like you have plenty of work to keep you occupied without working illegally. quote:
Anyway, I go on the 26th to see a nurse practioner who will evaluate my case and make a recommendation for a low-income pdoc. Since I'm almost out of my meds, they should be able to see me fairly quickly and she can give me a prescription to last me for a few days or weeks if need be. I'm glad that you're able to see someone and will be able to get some medication.
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RE: Mental Health Encouragement. - 3/15/2008 10:07:42 PM
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Actually, the devotionals that I gave to the pastor were samples of previous ones that I did for another church newsletter. He had requested the samples so he could evaluate my writing ability. It was just two weeks ago that I gave them to him, but I'll admit it, I haven't been to church much because of my health issues and anxiety. He is aware of some of these issues, so hopefully he'll understand why I've not been attending and not hold that against me. I want to serve God more in this church, but it seems like every time I mention something about doing something like writing, no one seems interested in my contribution to the body of Christ in that church. I shouldn't just be going to church to listen to a sermon, I need to practice what I hear and help edify my church family. As for these forums, I know that there are a few individuals who are ignorant about mental illness and the need for medications, but overall, I feel that I've accepted by nearly everyone here and I thank you all for demonstrating God's love to me and to others who society might deem unacceptable due to not meeting up to their standards of "normal". If it wasn't for God's love being demonstrated here in these forums, I'd be posting somewhere else.
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RE: Mental Health Encouragement. - 3/15/2008 10:33:50 PM
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agapetos
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I want to serve God more in this church, but it seems like every time I mention something about doing something like writing, no one seems interested in my contribution to the body of Christ in that church. I shouldn't just be going to church to listen to a sermon, I need to practice what I hear and help edify my church family. Sweetie, I don't want to sound harsh but I'm not sure that people aren't interested in your contribution. They're interested in your health. It is good and right that we don't just go to listen to a sermon but 'give' in some way ~ but there are many ways of giving and we need to determine our ability of how much we are able to give. You said in the same post above that you haven't been able to get to church lately because of health issues. This is something that your pastor is going to take on board ~ and perhaps something that you need to discuss further with him. Perhaps one of his concerns is that if your devotionals are ok (ie the style etc) then is you doing them going to place more stress on you than you need right now? Depending on the size of your church he may/may not have noticed that you've not been there. He's not going to want to give you more reason to stay away because you can't deal with the stress of writing devotionals. A thought has just occured to me... At a church I used to attend there were a number of people who made their way to it's doors kinda battered and beaten from churches they'd been to previously. Many had been in leadership positions and were just totally drained from all they'd had to do. The church that they we all attended gave them a time to heal and renew their strength ~ and then they were able to give again, but had been made stronger because of it. After an operation we all need time to heal and recover physically (and mentally to an extent). We need that physically too. Perhaps what you need at the moment is to heal and find that there are good Christians who accept you as you are? Seriously, speak with your pastor again, either on the phone, email, in person, whatever and explain how you feel about writing the devotional ~ he may be wanting reassurance that you are able to cope with it (even cope with sometimes being told that one of your devotionals isn't good enough), or that you're not going to beat yourself up (mentally) if you can't cope with doing a devotional every time you're asked to before deciding. I don't know if you've spoken with him about that aspect? It may also be worth your while (if you haven't already) speaking with him about ways you can contribute and help others. I know a lady who is painfully shy (until you get to know her) and can't cope with meeting and greeting people, but has no problem helping prepare food or clean the church ~ so that is what she does. Others would probably poison someone if they prepared food so meets and greets. There are many ways of contributing to church life.
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RE: Mental Health Encouragement. - 3/16/2008 4:39:58 PM
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You checked the right box. Have the two of you sat down and prayed about this? I am thinking not. Don't worry about the box you checked. You have enough time between now and your finalization to end these proceedings. But if you are being manipulated by this person, there is more going on than that. Either you don't see it, or you don't want to talk about it, and I wouldn't want to air it all out either. But God will lead you and he does NOT want you with someone who is abusive. We have prayed once together since I left. It was a very heartfelt and great prayer that I prayed and meant a lot to both of us. I believe my husband loves me but just can't deal with the psych issues I face, which have gotten considerably better over the years without medication, but still I have needed medication for a very long time. He is having a hard time accepting that I need meds and may need them for a lifetime.
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RE: Mental Health Encouragement. - 3/16/2008 4:46:44 PM
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I am sorry, I don't mean to take up too much of this thread with my issues but I just thought of something. My husband cheated on me several years ago and admitted it to me later. For that I am very proud of him because I wouldn't have figured it out on my own. But he does still keep company with a single man that uses myspace quite frequently. I am pretty sure he influenced my husband, in such a way, that he signed up for myspace and then indicated on there he was single. I found this out while checking something on his computer. It still bothers me to this day and IF we do reconcile, I am going to insist that he part ways with this man. Praying for you Tracy, Roberta, Melissa, etc. I am sorry if I left anyone out. As I get to know all of you better I will remember your names and pray more.
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RE: Mental Health Encouragement. - 3/16/2008 5:10:48 PM
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