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RE: Mental Health Encouragement. - 3/17/2008 3:16:20 AM
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womaninchrist- would your doctor be able to say that they need to examine you privately if your husband does come to the appointment with you to get him out of the room??? Hi everybody else- I have had a busy weekend which is why I haven't been around the past couple of days. I did make a discovery this weekend. A friend of mine from church is bipolar. I would have never guessed as she has been on medication a lot of the time that I know her. But both of us shared our stories the other evening and it was good to know that I have somebody else around that understands depression and how it can affect a person. She also said that she things her pdoc speaks English, so if I did reach the point where I felt like I needed to go while I am here yet, I might have somebody that could actually go to.
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RE: Mental Health Encouragement. - 3/17/2008 11:05:38 AM
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womaninchrist
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Beth, if he goes and insists on going in - they can actually call security if he won't leave. I've specifically blocked him from any knowledge of my treatment & conditions etc. under HIPAA and made them aware that I DO NOT want him in the room despite whatever he might be saying to the contrary. It's just that with him in the lobby, it'd get ugly to do anything practical. Then again, maybe risking his making a scene would be worth it. Must be nice to know you've got friends on this path over there and perhaps even a pdoc you could see if need be.
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RE: Mental Health Encouragement. - 3/17/2008 6:08:59 PM
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Actually, Angel is my service dog. I don't have any kids. DH has made quite a point (after agreeing we should try to have kids) that he "has his kids" and "this is HIS family" etc. while his words still said "we should try" and his deeds said otherwise. Suppose that should have been a big red flag of some sort. That's not the sort of thing you tell lies or half truths or lies by omission about... Oh, and we WILL be getting a divorce one way or another - and I WILL be leaving one way or another. We had a big argument Thursday and I told him it was "deal with your anger and temper - and I expect to see AT LEAST the following steps (and he made one appointment then found 8 bazillion or so reasons why the all of others aren't necessary or can be delayed or why he has better ideas or...) and that I had things (like shaking me, interrogating me about where I went and to whom I spoke about what or checking my phone records) I expected to NEVER see or hear again (and he's already done two of them - and blown both off as "normal" despite everyone from my pdoc and psychologist to ministerial types I've talked to saying it's NOT normal, it's abusive and/or controlling behavior) and that his other choice was divorce with a restraining order and a change of payee". Guess he's happy with option #2. He's clearly not even trying for option #1. Even the ministers I've spoken to have told me that his behavior is so off kilter and has been for so long there's really no need to stay and I'm being rather "overly kind" to stick around for an ultimatum.
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RE: Mental Health Encouragement. - 3/17/2008 8:21:44 PM
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ORIGINAL: Allie35 He emotionally left me in June of last year, when I had a HUGE Panic attack related to PTSD. He knew then he just couldn't deal with my issues anymore. . In some ways, I can't say I blame him. I am still very much waffling on the divorce box I checked on the paperwork. Still haven't really made up my mind. Ok, first don't apologize. Everybody has their issues and you are working on old issues while dealing with new issues. I am so sorry that he can't deal with your problems. My husband has his times when he doesn't deal well if I have a flashback or nightmare. But for the most part he is ok, BUT he has been in counseling with me and on his own and our counselors work together. I wouldn't worry about the box you checked as much as your reasons for wanting to be married to him still. Are you willing to stay married to him if he continues in his ways? Are you prepared to stay married to him if he cheats on you again? Could he be cheating now? Are you going to be able to stay married to him through those things? It is good that he was honest with you when he cheated, but has he been honest since? Does he want you around because he is in love with you or because he needs to have sex with somebody and you are there at the moment. I am so totally NOT trying to make you feel bad so I hope you don't, but I do think that there are many things going on that you need to think about. I was told that a person is NEVER supposed to make any major decisions when they are in a depressed or anxious state. You have things that you need to deal with and if he is willing to stay with you and only you and be a husband to you and a father to the kids without using your illness against you, then get into counseling and hold off on any proceedings. But, if he is not able to make a commitment to you, then you need to think about how this is going to affect your mental and physical health, and if it is worth it. But in the mean time, DON'T let him take advantage of you. You said you were consenting, but really, in your state and with all that is going on, are you really able to say that you fully understand that you are doing these things with him just to satisfy that physical need (on his part) You still love him, but does he love you enough to see you through this time and be faithful to you? That is what you need to ask yourself. You already checked the box. Now all you have to do is wait until they give you a court date. If within that time, you and your husband reconcile, you can either change it to a legal separation just to give it some time to heal and make sure, or you can stop the proceedings altogether. I checked the box and the paperwork gets mailed off tomorrow. In the paperwork, I attached a letter explaining why I was doing a divorce instead of the legal separation. I said we can stop the proceedings at anytime and I am willing to reconcile anytime he is willing to. I feel like I took myself off of the emotional rollercoaster ride now but its still a very difficult time. I keep thinking about Matthew 19 and wondering if this really applies to me. He has cheated on me and I have forgiven him so I can't hold it against him now. There has been a history of domestic abuse between us and its not all been his fault. I have contributed to lots of the fighting. Its all very sad and its going to take God's intervening if we are ever going to reconcile.
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RE: Mental Health Encouragement. - 3/17/2008 8:36:55 PM
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Allie and womaninchrist (sorry- I knew that Angel was your dog- I had a momentary brain lapse) - I personally feel that both of your situations are reasons for getting a divorce. It isn't like you haven't tried to keep the marriage together. But, your physically and emotional well-being is at stake here and if getting out of these marriages is the way for you to take care of yourself, go for it. So from my single, standpoint, I see nothing wrong with either one of you getting a divorce. Hi Melissa!!!! Sorry you have had a bad day. Can you set an alarm to wake you up just enough to take your meds and then go back to sleep??? I am sorry about your therapist making inappropriate comments. This is one of those situations where speaking to somebody of the same sex is probably a good idea. I know for me it would as some of my issues relate to that time of the month I am sure and I am not comfortable talking about that with males (unless it is within the area of a physical)
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RE: Mental Health Encouragement. - 3/17/2008 9:06:43 PM
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womaninChrist, I'm sorry things are going so poorly for you. Beth, goodbyes under the best of circumstances are hard. Melissa, I hope things start looking up for you. My dad had his surgery today. It was longer than drs. expected it to be, but it was sucessful. However, they did find that he has a slight heart problem. I got my very first checking account with my name only on it today! I got home from dad's surgery and got a phone call from the school offering my dd free eye care and glasses (she's legally blind in one eye). Then I got another phone call that said they are giving me an appt with a therapist on this Wed (3/19) in addition to the appts. that I have on 3/26 with a pdoc and an MD!
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RE: Mental Health Encouragement. - 3/17/2008 9:17:27 PM
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I just realized something. If nothing works itself out at the doc tomorrow, I can blame the time on the clinic and drop by the courthouse. That might be worth the trouble at the rate things are going. DenimDiva, sorry to hear of your Dad's heart troubles, but so glad to hear of the rest of things. I'll continue keeping you and yours in prayer.
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RE: Mental Health Encouragement. - 3/17/2008 10:34:09 PM
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ORIGINAL: MyCatSmokey2006 I'm having a rotten day! First of all, I wake up late for the second day in a row, throwing my medication schedule off. It's rainy and cold outside, making me feel depressed anyway. Now, I'm upset because I went to my therapist today and he said something that was totally inappropriate for someone in his profession to say. It wasn't sexual in nature, but it was serious enough to prompt me to file a complaint with his supervisor, who suggested I see a female therapist. I hate to change therapists when things have been going so well, but he makes me feel uncomfortable with some of the things he's said from time to time. I feel that a female therapist would be more understanding about some issues that I don't feel comfortable talking about with a male therapist. Now that I've vented, I feel better. I'm going to find me some green beer. (just kidding!) Happy St. Patricks Day! Melissa, I have a female therapist and a male psych doc for my meds. But before he could prescribe, he did have to take a history and I did have to answer some pretty personal questions. While I think he is great, now that he knows the things I had to say (eventhough I went into as little detail as possible) I feel totally weird around him. As for my Therapist, I love her. She is just kind and caring. She is very committed. We have butted heads a couple of times, but that was my fault because I was non-complient with my meds and didn't tell her. And we went into some serious stuff and it put me in a not so safe place, but again, I didn't tell her until I was in my car and couldn't decide whether to go home or do something destructive to myself. It must be hard to switch when you have already gone through things with your current therapist, but I have a bunch of people that I know who have done it and it wasn't as bad as they thought. I do think that it is more appropriate for a woman to have a woman therapist. They just think the same for the most part. I do have to deal with my son's therapist from time to time and while he is a very nice person, and in some areas I do see where he could be helpful to me, I just can't do it. I am so sorry about your rotton day. It happens, but it stinks. Mine was uneventful so that is better than it could be. Womaninchrist, I do hope that you can find some balance with your husband or be able to leave. It sounds very abusive and if you are in need of a service dog, that has to make it worse on you. Is he willing to work with you and a therapist? It would be harder for him to find excuses not to go because you are going and he is going to have to get very creative if he wants to get out of it. Allie, I am glad you did what you did. You didn't need to include the letter because the proceedings can be stopped at anytime, but it probably helped you out alot just to get it out there in writing. It shows that you really do want to try to make this work. But please think about the real reasons why you want it to work and how it would benefit him, your kids and yourself if you stay together. I had a very hard time when I left because I really felt that it shouldn't happen unless we tried every option to us to stay together. I am not saying that I want him back. In fact, as the years go by and I see the person he has turned into, I am very glad I am not there anymore. I would be just like him, and while it is not my place to judge, I do know that I woud totally not have God in my life if I was with him. AND through some things that I did, my husband came to Christ last year. (another long story and I am not getting into that one) So two of us were saved. I do pray for my ex and his wife. Not as often as I should, but I try. It is hard though. Now that you sent the papers back only time will tell. Just keep him out of your bed until you are totally committed to eachother. Hi Beth!!! I hope things are going well for you. I envy your warm weather, but we are getting there. Roberta, I am glad your dad did well with his surgery, and sorry about the heart probelm, but hopefully medication will help him out with that. Hopefully all of you rest well tonight and wake up to a new day tomorrow. I love it when I wake up and can start over.
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RE: Mental Health Encouragement. - 3/18/2008 11:02:58 AM
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This might sound a bit paranoid, but I'm thinking he might be trying some sort of brainwashing or at least intentionally trying to get me off-kilter. Last night was night #2 in a row where he made rather sure I didn't sleep much and what sleep I got was by dozing - because HE kept just HAVING to talk (at times like 3am).
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RE: Mental Health Encouragement. - 3/18/2008 12:13:26 PM
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womaninChrist- I don't deal well with sleep deprivation at all. I would not have been able to handle that at all.
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RE: Mental Health Encouragement. - 3/18/2008 11:24:19 PM
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ORIGINAL: womaninchrist This might sound a bit paranoid, but I'm thinking he might be trying some sort of brainwashing or at least intentionally trying to get me off-kilter. Last night was night #2 in a row where he made rather sure I didn't sleep much and what sleep I got was by dozing - because HE kept just HAVING to talk (at times like 3am). I think at that point, I would have gone to the couch. If he followed, I would have flat out told him to leave me alone to sleep. What kinds of things does he want to talk about? I know that I talk alot to my husband before bed, and I know he would much rather sleep, but that is our only time alone together since he brings his work home with him most days. Did you tell him that you didn't want to talk when you should be sleeping? I mean, yes, he is depriving you of sleep, but if he is up too, he is also depriving himself of sleep so what is he accomplishing there? I am feeling pretty down today. But I can't remember if I took my meds. I hate it when I do that. It is like my mind just goes blank and I do think it is the meds that do it to me. Tomorrow I am going to write myself a note after I take them so that I don't have to sit here and wonder. I also haven't had the time to sit down and eat a meal today so I am sure that isn't helping. I would eat now, but it is too late and I refuse to eat right before bed. And I have this cold thing that just won't go away. I lost my voice and since I have asthma, taking cold meds make that worse. I have been like this for a week so I am going to give it a few more days before I go to the doc. I hate doctors. Anyway, goodnight.
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RE: Mental Health Encouragement. - 3/19/2008 12:02:07 AM
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Last night it was a series of convos about why I "had no right" to care if he was looking to see who I called or that he wanted to know why I'd called them or they'd called me, lectures that dong the aforementioned was "normal behavior" etc. I'd have gone some where else myself except living in a studio there isn't anywhere else and I know from when we've had other rooms all he does in these moods is follow me till he's done. Oh, and first thing this morning he called most of the people I called to tell his side of things (i.e. to do damage control and start the "she's nuts again tales"). My doc said that what he's done the last few days if it's not brainwashing is definitely something well into the realm of emotional abuse and clearly intended to make me and/or keep me as unstable as possible. Thursday night/Fri. Morning he pulled the "must talk about ____ NOW" trick, Fri. Night/Sat. Morning he let me sleep as much as I wanted, Sat. Night/Sun Morning he kinda kept me up and street noise helped a lot, Sunday night/Monday morning sleep was OK, then last night... My doc is quite certain at this point stress from home is playing a strong role in my mysterious fevers - or that at the very least it's a reasonable theory and certainly NOT helping at all. BTW, the thing that seriously peeves me about his night time convos is that not once has he ever attempted to raise any of these subjects during daylight hours. If it's important enough to keep me up all night, SURELY it's worth trying to discuss it at say 2pm instead of at 2am and if it could wait till 2am before even TRYING to discuss it then I'm sure it could wait till more like after 9 or so and at least my first cup of coffee.
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RE: Mental Health Encouragement. - 3/19/2008 12:59:58 PM
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Is he physically abusive? What would happen if you flat out asked him why he is chosing to keep you up all night when he has plenty of time during the day or after dinner to "talk" to you? Would he flip out on you? I am sorry, but I don't remember, do you have kids? If so, how many and how old? Are they seeing any of this behavior from him? I mean it sounds a little paranoid on his part. Does he have mental problems? Ok alot paranoid. But either way, either he needs help, or you need to get out of there.
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RE: Mental Health Encouragement. - 3/19/2008 5:46:46 PM
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Once he decides "we need to talk about something" he's got the tenacity of the stereotype of a pitbull - he just WILL NOT and DOES NOT let the subject(s) go until HE decides we're done with it/them. I've told him that's a bad thing, friends (including pastors and some with counseling credentials) have told him that sometimes it's better to drop subjects an come back to them - he's even been given specific instructions by me, some of my counselors, some of my pdocs, and some of his friends that if *I* want a break from a convo and so state he is SUPPOSED to give me one on the spot for until I so choose or 24 hours (whichever comes first)...at which point I again have the right to ask for anohter break with the same conditions. But despite all that, he'll follow me about the house/apartment/wherever-we-might-be until HE is done with the convo (which means he's gotten the results he wanted) and if necessary he will block my ability to enter or exit various rooms. No kids. Well, more correctly, *I* haven't had kids with him. He has adult kids (so I have adult stepkids). They have seen a little (maybe) and possibly long ago saw similar between him and his ex (their Mom - everything I've heard says similar about the terms of their split and his behaviors around that time). However, OTHERS (including people like my doctor) have seen it - because of stuff he's pulled during my appointments (like frantically calling at 10:15 wondering where I was because I was "late" coming home from a 10:00 appointment). Or the time he lit into a male from a local radio station who'd simply called to tell me I'd won a contest and could come pick up the tickets I'd won - as the caller told the story (and my husband admitted it was an accurate telling of the story) he'd been accused of being my boyfriend and my husband was rather pushy about trying to force him to admit to this despite it being blatantly untrue. I'm sure he could use some help, but if he's not willing to admit that HE has a problem, I'm not willing to stick around and see how much more out of sorts he's going to get or if he's going to wander from emotional abuse and random mention of vague threats to actual physical abuse.
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RE: Mental Health Encouragement. - 3/20/2008 1:52:35 AM
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My appt. got changed from today until tomorrow. I talked a little with the therapist on the phone. She sounds very nice. My sister says that I've got to be very open about past abuses, etc. with the therapist. I'm not very good at that. I generally don't answer the questions until they are asked, then I am vague about the answers or try to downplay the issue as not being serious because I don't like to open up to new people. I'm thinking that sis is right about this though. I'm very nervous about it. I'm also putting my dd on a plane to Indiana tomorrow and I won't see her for over a week. That has me down. All-in-all, I think I'd better start tomorrow off with lots of prayer and just keep praying the day away. DD's flight doesn't leave until close to midnight.
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RE: Mental Health Encouragement. - 3/20/2008 2:27:24 AM
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This is my first post in this thread. I'm schizophrenic. I am more stable now than I've ever been. But I seem to have developed some issues in gaining this stability. I'm no longer in a suicidal depression, which controlled my life for a decade. But I appear to be more fragile than I think I am. My life is so controlled by routine, that any little circumstance that's outside of it rips my world apart. I try to leave the house once a week, usually that's someone coming to pick me up and drive me wherever. There was a woman who showed up last Friday, she used to babysit me when I was a kid...she wouldn't leave, was trying to move in. My mom had to come and tell her she needed to go and was upsetting me greatly. I'm registered to go back to school in August, but have been neglecting financial aid due to me not wanting to have contact. It's making me wonder how on earth I'm going to go back to school when I can't be in the presence of a perceived stranger. I have no health insurance, and have been trying to get on disability for two years. My family doctor prescribes my medicine in my mom's name. I've been on the same medication for four years. My mom pays the bills, I just exist. I don't want to live in this place for my entire life, nor do I want to depend on someone else to support me. No idea how I'm going to go about this if I'm not mentally fit for school. That depresses me, I really love being challenged by an education. I don't know. Anyway, that's my introduction. Hello all.
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RE: Mental Health Encouragement. - 3/20/2008 6:10:37 AM
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Welcome to the forum everything!!!! It sounds like you have been through quite a bit already. If you don't mind me asking, about how old are you?? (You don't have to give the exact number, but a "rounded" number is fine). I am in my mid-twenties and currently serving as a missionary teacher overseas. In the past 2 years, my depression has become greater and I have started taking medication to help. I still don't quite have the right balance of everything, but it is hard to adjust since my doctor is currently thousands of miles away. Please feel free to add your comments/struggles/joys to the thread. There are several of us that post pretty regularly and while we don't always have the answers, we all know who does (God) and will pray for and with you in these struggles. Have a great day!!
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RE: Mental Health Encouragement. - 3/20/2008 10:58:09 AM
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My sister says that I've got to be very open about past abuses, etc. with the therapist. I'm not very good at that. I generally don't answer the questions until they are asked, then I am vague about the answers or try to downplay the issue as not being serious because I don't like to open up to new people. I'm thinking that sis is right about this though. I'm very nervous about it. Your sister is right, you need to be very open... If you don't tell your therapist what has gone on, how are you going to learn to deal with it? It's only talking that we will get anything out of it. If you feel you are going to have problems telling her stuff, then tell her you think you're going to have problems. You've told us what you do ~ make sure you tell her, so she knows and can adapt the therapy to suit you. Remember that you don't have to talk over every single event (bad or good) in your life to make it work. Many things are connected. I was talking with my therapist once and she made the comment 'It goes really deep.'. I thought she was talking about whatever it was I was talking about, but on reflection later, I realised that it was on a whole heap of different events that had the same effect on me. My psychologist knows a whole heap of stuff about me, but there are things that she doesn't know about me ~ and I don't feel it's necessary to talk about them because the detrimental effects on their life have been dealt with through dealing with other events. There may come a time when I need to see her, or someone else, about some other issues that have gone on in my life and that is fine. We can't always deal with everything at once and I need to see if I can deal with these problems (as one would deal with having flu, a minor annoyance) or need further help. quote:
This is my first post in this thread. I'm schizophrenic. I am more stable now than I've ever been. But I seem to have developed some issues in gaining this stability. Welcome! And congratulations on getting stable. I have bipolar and it's taken a long time for me to be stable and feel as though I have a life worth living. It's been a very 'up and down' process and can be very hard. A combination of medication and therapy seems to have really benefited me. I won't copy your whole post but you sound as though you've come a long way. You are probably a lot stronger than you think you are. I'm not saying you're not fragile ~ but you're thinking and doing things to help yourself. You have a routine, so do I ~ I've found it very hard to do anything spontainious for a long time and I still have to really work at it. But there are many people who live by routine, it's not necessarily a bad thing. You know, it's great that you're looking to start going back to school in August. I've just started a distance-learning course. I don't know whether either of us are going to get through, but you know something ~ we've both got to the point where we're prepared to take the risk and try! That's not easy and many people won't do that, so give yourself credit!
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RE: Mental Health Encouragement. - 3/20/2008 3:26:45 PM
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My sister says that I've got to be very open about past abuses, etc. with the therapist. I'm not very good at that. I generally don't answer the questions until they are asked, then I am vague about the answers or try to downplay the issue as not being serious because I don't like to open up to new people. I'm thinking that sis is right about this though. I'm very nervous about it. Roberta, I took 4 months to tell my therapist the things she needed to know to actually help me. I never told my psych doc because they were just not something I wanted to talk to a guy about so he said that he thought I was just "stuck in a depression" This was over a year ago. Last month, I finally wrote a letter and told him because he couldn't really do much for me not knowing. But I only told him that certain things happened, and gave no details because he didn't need those. When he asked me why I didn't tell him these things before, I said "You didn't ask about that type of thing" Maybe writing what you need her to know so that she can help you might be easier. And if she brings something up that you are not ready to talk with her about, then just tell her that you want to talk about something else. Mine is very good at that and if I tell her I don't want to talk about it, she will wait until another time.
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RE: Mental Health Encouragement. - 3/20/2008 3:45:28 PM
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My psychiatrist knows very little of the things I've discussed with my psychologist. They can talk to each other about patients if they feel it necessary and he has access to my file (so can find out), but his role isn't to deal with the things that have hurt me. It's to treat my bipolar, which is a whole different ball game. Yes, he knows I've been hurt (that much ain't rocket science!) but he doesn't know what or who. It may be worth you thinking about what you want out of therapy and discussing it with the therapist. Some people go expecting to have all their hurts treated so they finish feeling perfectly well and perfectly normal and fully able to function and never have another bad day. Others want to know about recognising the patterns in their life, learning coping strategies and working on building blocks. My understanding of therapy has changed over the years. I entered the therapy this time wanting to know how to deal with myself and my bipolar. Something that has come up has been the huge guilt trip that I live with. It's much smaller than it once was but it still exists. What I have learnt though is that the runway that leads up to the pit that is the guilt I feel has paths that leads off it, so I can divert. Doesn't mean that I'm never going to have a bad day again (I've had several) but I've learnt that I can do things to help myself stop those bad days turning into bad weeks etc. Even if you don't talk to your therapist about something that has happened in your life, make sure she knows what is going on in your life since you last saw her (remember how you felt when you had a virus infection ~ I seem to recall there were quite a few who suffered recently) because little things can affect us and give them clues to what's going on in our lives and how we react (ie it'd be worth Roberta telling her therapist that her dd is going to be away for a week).
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RE: Mental Health Encouragement. - 3/20/2008 5:32:02 PM
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Trying to remember to be brave and discuss everything as openly as possible with her. Trying to remember to be brave about my dd getting on a plane tonight and heading to Indiana for a week. I hate separation anxeity!!
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RE: Mental Health Encouragement. - 3/21/2008 12:46:41 AM
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