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RE: Divorce - One Stop Thread - 5/14/2008 2:55:05 PM
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Bottom line, not everyone is going to agree on this. Those who are the most against ANY divorce are the ones who do the least to help those who must get divorced...the abused, neglected, abandoned women and kids who suffer in misery and poverty and loveless, often violently abusive marriages. And emotional abuse can be quite severe. Lest we forget, many MEN are victims of an abusive spouse and are raising children. It goes both ways these days, sadly. God is love and there for those who want to love the divorced......and those in His church following His heart will show it to them. Blessings!
Tater,
You are very ignorant in what you speak of. I am a member of a Christian group FILLED with divorced persons, so you know not what you speak of----at all. You are uplifting and ADVOCATING the "goodness" and rightness of divorce, so yes, we are on opposing sides of this issue---because I see nothing "good" or right in the permanent forsaking of the union God joined together.
I defend the permanency of marriage because that is what I see throughout scripture. I also stand with my divorced brothers and sisters in unity against the plague of divorce and the brokenness which occurs in families when those who suffer give up. God has called each who profess to know HIM, to love as HE LOVES (not only the "good"/"wronged" person in a marriage), not to abandon permanently the "unloveable"...........Thank goodness He did not do that to us when WE were entrenched in sin and very unloveable.
Do we all want JUSTICE? Absolutely. It is something innate in most of us. Many of us "fight" for the underdog and do what we can to help them in their hurt. However, while we live and breathe on this earth, it is the LORD'S desire that we pray for those who treat us badly and hope that they too come to a saving knowledge of Jesus Christ and that they turn from their sins and be healed. I am not feeling that from you towards offenders, but only bitterness and anger. That is not of God..............this I know.
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RE: Divorce - One Stop Thread - 5/14/2008 2:57:08 PM
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What is the source for this statistic?
While I vehemently disagree with Lastblast's point of view, I do believe that this is likely a mis-characterization and an unsupportable claim. If there is a statistic that supports this claim please present it, but if it is only a "feeling" it is probably best to keep that to your self in the absence of any evidence.
Thank you for that, benelchi.
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RE: Divorce - One Stop Thread - 5/14/2008 4:02:11 PM
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Those who are the most against ANY divorce are the ones who do the least to help those who must get divorced...the abused, neglected, abandoned women and kids who suffer in misery and poverty and loveless, often violently abusive marriages.
What is the source for this statistic?
While I vehemently disagree with Lastblast's point of view, I do believe that this is likely a mis-characterization and an unsupportable claim. If there is a statistic that supports this claim please present it, but if it is only a "feeling" it is probably best to keep that to your self in the absence of any evidence.
I don't think that Taterbuglette is wrong in making this statement. If a man or woman believe that those who divorce are sinning against God, then I would think they would view whatever comes as a result of that divorce, as being God's discipline - it would be the negative consequences of their sin. They couldn't really "support" these people and help them could they? The only help I can see them offering would be trying to get them to "repent" since they believe these folks are sinning. Those who hold the view Lastblast does can only stand and "support" those who have been divorced by their spouses not those who have divorced their spouses. It's clear from scanning through postings that those who have divorced their spouses stand condemned according to the view held which opposes all divorces.
When they come across the person who does not believe that divorcing their spouse was sin, what support can they provide such a one without compromising their own stand on this issue?
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RE: Divorce - One Stop Thread - 5/14/2008 4:11:40 PM
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TATERBUGLETTE
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Tater,
You are very ignorant in what you speak of. I am a member of a Christian group FILLED with divorced persons, so you know not what you speak of----at all. You are uplifting and ADVOCATING the "goodness" and rightness of divorce,
lol trying to bait me will not get you anywhere. No one here is "for" divorce, especially those of us who are divorced. We know better than anyone how bad it is. But we also know better than self righteous people the love of Christ. We know we are forgiven!...:o)
so yes, we are on opposing sides of this issue---because I see nothing "good" or right in the permanent forsaking of the union God joined together.
I defend the permanency of marriage because that is what I see throughout scripture. I also stand with my divorced brothers and sisters in unity against the plague of divorce and the brokenness which occurs in families when those who suffer give up. God has called each who profess to know HIM, to love as HE LOVES (not only the "good"/"wronged" person in a marriage), not to abandon permanently the "unloveable"...........Thank goodness He did not do that to us when WE were entrenched in sin and very unloveable.
Do we all want JUSTICE? Absolutely. It is something innate in most of us. Many of us "fight" for the underdog and do what we can to help them in their hurt. However, while we live and breathe on this earth, it is the LORD'S desire that we pray for those who treat us badly and hope that they too come to a saving knowledge of Jesus Christ and that they turn from their sins and be healed. I am not feeling that from you towards offenders, but only bitterness and anger.
what offenders? I dont know what you mean by that. are we not all offenders dependent on Gods grace? is that what you meant? i dont think so ....:o)
That is not of God..............this I know.
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If you want to fight for the under dog. then do it!! Help the divorced women with car repairs, babysitting, groceries, rent, medicine. LOVE them! God has said to do so and you disobey Him if you do not, which you have admitted. Bless you
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RE: Divorce - One Stop Thread - 5/14/2008 4:21:39 PM
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Those who are the most against ANY divorce are the ones who do the least to help those who must get divorced...the abused, neglected, abandoned women and kids who suffer in misery and poverty and loveless, often violently abusive marriages.
What is the source for this statistic?
While I vehemently disagree with Lastblast's point of view, I do believe that this is likely a mis-characterization and an unsupportable claim. If there is a statistic that supports this claim please present it, but if it is only a "feeling" it is probably best to keep that to your self in the absence of any evidence.
I don't think that Taterbuglette is wrong in making this statement. If a man or woman believe that those who divorce are sinning against God, then I would think they would view whatever comes as a result of that divorce, as being God's discipline - it would be the negative consequences of their sin. They couldn't really "support" these people and help them could they? The only help I can see them offering would be trying to get them to "repent" since they believe these folks are sinning. Those who hold the view Lastblast does can only stand and "support" those who have been divorced by their spouses not those who have divorced their spouses. It's clear from scanning through postings that those who have divorced their spouses stand condemned according to the view held which opposes all divorces.
When they come across the person who does not believe that divorcing their spouse was sin, what support can they provide such a one without compromising their own stand on this issue?
You just made an excellent point. And obviously this is what is happening. They are doing nothing to help those divorced, else they would say what . They dont even have to be specific in what THEY do, just what their church or churches in their area do. In my neck of the woods, I know of churches who will tell you plainly that divorce is NOT good, not Gods best..sin. And still love you, provide you with furniture, food, gas, clothes, gift certificates etc. Its called showing grace, which is what Jesus values most.
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RE: Divorce - One Stop Thread - 5/14/2008 4:48:08 PM
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Is this the imformous Divorce - one stop thread? How has it gone on so long? You either obey God through Holy Scripture/ the Bible or not. The only defence i have heard for divorce is 'The Holy Spirit told me in prayer, God has changed his mind!' No doubt i'll pop back to see the answers to this post, but as i say if you are a self professed christian you should obey God's Word, or at least believe what it says! BibleBased.
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RE: Divorce - One Stop Thread - 5/14/2008 5:14:57 PM
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God has said to do so and you disobey Him if you do not, which you have admitted. Bless you
I said nothing of the sort, Tater, but you can make this personal if you wish.
One can either choose to obey God even in the "hard" things, or they can complain about situations GOD has allowed into their lives. They then can choose to walk disobediently, aligning themselves with others who will justify sin. A person can say that God thinks it ok to separate what He has joined together permanently, even if the spouse comes to repentance someday----but they will have a very hard time proving that mindset from the Word of God.
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RE: Divorce - One Stop Thread - 5/14/2008 5:28:19 PM
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Those who hold the view Lastblast does can only stand and "support" those who have been divorced by their spouses not those who have divorced their spouses. It's clear from scanning through postings that those who have divorced their spouses stand condemned according to the view held which opposes all divorces.
Again, not true. There are some in my fellowship who initiated divorce..........and later saw the error of their way or felt it was the only way to get legal support for their children. However, the common thread that unites us is that we see, even in the case of divorce, that the union God joins together is NOT dissolved due to the divorce.............and that it is God's Will/heart for the ones He joined together to forsake their sin and come to reconciliation/restoration.
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When they come across the person who does not believe that divorcing their spouse was sin, what support can they provide such a one without compromising their own stand on this issue?
In such situations, one has to be led of the Lord in order to know what to do. There is no "blanket" answer----every situation is different. Sometimes the Lord leads us to give to those in sin because of Grace/mercy. Those of us who believe in the permanency of marriage---even after a divorce, realize that some are very blinded to their sin and the destruction they have wrought on other's lives. In some of those cases, it may not be the "discipline of God" that brings them to repentance, but the "goodness" of God, through His merciful provision in spite of their sin. Only God knows what each needs to bring a person to Him and in alignment with His will.
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RE: Divorce - One Stop Thread - 5/14/2008 5:42:34 PM
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Those who hold the view Lastblast does can only stand and "support" those who have been divorced by their spouses not those who have divorced their spouses. It's clear from scanning through postings that those who have divorced their spouses stand condemned according to the view held which opposes all divorces.
Again, not true. There are some in my fellowship who initiated divorce..........and later saw the error of their way or felt it was the only way to get legal support for their children.
"they felt it was the only way to get legal support for their children"...so are you saying its ok if you have to do it to get legal support, which many do? or are you saying your church doesnt support them? or that its OK if they get NO legal support and let the kids go hungry? can you clarify that? being specific will make your answer credible.
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RE: Divorce - One Stop Thread - 5/14/2008 6:29:21 PM
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"they felt it was the only way to get legal support for their children"...so are you saying its ok if you have to do it to get legal support, which many do? or are you saying your church doesnt support them? or that its OK if they get NO legal support and let the kids go hungry? can you clarify that? being specific will make your answer credible.
Tater, focus on God's Word, K? That's all that really matters in the end.........not what this church organization or that church organization does. A "building" or organization is NOT the church----those who are TRULY born again are "the church" of Christ. Each of us is responsible before the Lord in what we do/don't do in regards to sin and in regards to loving as Jesus loves. Would I let kids go hungry? Nope.
As for divorce being ok to get legal support, I leave that judgment with those who have gone through it----some have come to the conclusion they sinned when they took their spouse to court, some have felt otherwise. What I will say is that Paul did acknowledge that some women will depart---for whatever reasons(I Cor. 7:10-11), yet what Paul does not say is that such a woman has been released from the union God has joined together.........to the contrary. In other words, divorce(if that is what departs means) does not dissolve what God has joined together.
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RE: Divorce - One Stop Thread - 5/15/2008 11:50:59 AM
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"they felt it was the only way to get legal support for their children"...so are you saying its ok if you have to do it to get legal support, which many do? or are you saying your church doesnt support them? or that its OK if they get NO legal support and let the kids go hungry? can you clarify that? being specific will make your answer credible.
Tater, focus on God's Word, K? That's all that really matters in the end.........not what this church organization or that church organization does.
Of course it DOES matter what a church does!!
A "building" or organization is NOT the church----those who are TRULY born again are "the church" of Christ. Each of us is responsible before the Lord in what we do/don't do in regards to sin and in regards to loving as Jesus loves.
I agree
Would I let kids go hungry? Nope.
well there you go. Not anyone I know who loves Jesus would let a kid go hungry to avoid court!! Sometimes God works even through the legal system to provide.
As for divorce being ok to get legal support, I leave that judgment with those who have gone through it----some have come to the conclusion they sinned when they took their spouse to court, some have felt otherwise. What I will say is that Paul did acknowledge that some women will depart---for whatever reasons(I Cor. 7:10-11), yet what Paul does not say is that such a woman has been released from the union God has joined together.........to the contrary. In other words, divorce(if that is what departs means) does not dissolve what God has joined together.
No one is for divorce. NO one. No Christian. Ever. most non believers i've met are not for it!! but it is at times necessary in this fallen broken awful world. Our redeemer God uses even this for His purposes. But no ones for it...........
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RE: Divorce - One Stop Thread - 5/15/2008 12:59:28 PM
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No one is for divorce. NO one. No Christian. Ever. most non believers i've met are not for it!! but it is at times necessary in this fallen broken awful world. Our redeemer God uses even this for His purposes. But no ones for it...........
With the divorce rate at 50% in the CHURCH, how is it that you state NOONE is for divorce? If noone was for divorce, then our divorce rates would mirror some of the other countries in which divorce is RARE. People ARE for divorce..........and they DO rush to that instead of working on their marriages and "waiting on the Lord". We can say one thing, but our actions prove otherwise, Tater. The "world" is watching one messed up, powerless "church" who responds no differently (and sometimes worse) than those who don't profess Jesus Christ as their Lord.
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RE: Divorce - One Stop Thread - 5/15/2008 1:26:42 PM
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The "world" is watching one messed up, powerless "church" who responds no differently (and sometimes worse) than those who don't profess Jesus Christ as their Lord.
AMEN!!!!
That is what it boils down to... we can argue all day about these extremely rare cases, but the fact is "the church" is accepting any and all cases of divorce, accepting those who abandon their families to marry another... spouse swapping going on all around- it is quite sickening. All this in the name of "grace".
We are sitting in the pews next to these people in fellowship with them- which makes us partakers. Whatever happened to keeping the congregation pure- keeping sin out, church discipline- removing from fellowship those who refuse to repent? How in the world can a Pastor shepherd a flock in a megachurch of thousands? How can they know who is in the "crowd". How can they know which 50% of their congregation is living in sexual sin of some sort (post-divorce adultery via remarriage, fornication, homosexuality)?
I heard of a case the other day where NON-believers refused to accept a woman who was involved with their son because he was going to divorce his wife to be with her. I know professing "Christians" who have accepted this kind of thing.
All I can say is my head spins at how we got this far...
May God help us all.
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RE: Divorce - One Stop Thread - 5/15/2008 3:23:40 PM
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it just seems to be the sin of divorced that makes your head go round like Linda Blairs. are other sins making your head spin which are common? do you know how many struggle with sexual addiction, net porn and other sins? what do you struggle with (do NOT answer, I dont know what to know..i just know you do, for we all do). do you "fellowship" with them? if you dont allow them to come to church or whatever you mean by "fellowship" how can you encourage them to do better? Turn away the sinners at the door and you wont get in. Me either! This is of course a salvation by works issue...or a once saved always saved issue.
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RE: Divorce - One Stop Thread - 5/15/2008 4:12:10 PM
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it just seems to be the sin of divorced that makes your head go round like Linda Blairs. are other sins making your head spin which are common? do you know how many struggle with sexual addiction, net porn and other sins? what do you struggle with (do NOT answer, I dont know what to know..i just know you do, for we all do). do you "fellowship" with them? if you dont allow them to come to church or whatever you mean by "fellowship" how can you encourage them to do better? Turn away the sinners at the door and you wont get in. Me either! This is of course a salvation by works issue...or a once saved always saved issue.
Tater,
Struggling with sin (which is what we all do while we are in the flesh) is a VERY different thing than giving oneself over to sin and expecting other believers to accept it and allow it in the fellowship. It is true that many have "hidden" sins. We cannot know those in order to rightly judge, but the Lord knows. We can only judge those "seen" sinful practices, and if one is unrepentant, put them out of the fellowship until such a time when they are genuinely repentant (I Cor. 5:11-13).
The reason the church is filled with so much immorality is because we have disobeyed the Lord in how we have handled it. Instead of loving our erring brethren by teaching them God's Ways and expecting obedience to the Lord in those who profess to know Him, we have accepted and embraced the world's ways. That is why we don't look any different than the world (II Tim. 3).
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RE: Divorce - One Stop Thread - 5/15/2008 4:56:39 PM
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it just seems to be the sin of divorced that makes your head go round like Linda Blairs. are other sins making your head spin which are common? do you know how many struggle with sexual addiction, net porn and other sins? what do you struggle with (do NOT answer, I dont know what to know..i just know you do, for we all do). do you "fellowship" with them? if you dont allow them to come to church or whatever you mean by "fellowship" how can you encourage them to do better? Turn away the sinners at the door and you wont get in. Me either! This is of course a salvation by works issue...or a once saved always saved issue.
Tater,
Struggling with sin (which is what we all do while we are in the flesh) is a VERY different thing than giving oneself over to sin and expecting other believers to accept it and allow it in the fellowship. It is true that many have "hidden" sins. We cannot know those in order to rightly judge, but the Lord knows. We can only judge those "seen" sinful practices, and if one is unrepentant, put them out of the fellowship until such a time when they are genuinely repentant (I Cor. 5:11-13).
ok. so what sins make your church "put them out of the fellowship?" divorce? what about the smokers? I'm guessing you have some. any fat women? gotta toss em out. so you can only judge the "seen". "Judge not" He said...plainly. You sin in judging. What other sins would make you get rid of em?
The reason the church is filled with so much immorality is because we have disobeyed the Lord in how we have handled it. Instead of loving our erring brethren by teaching them God's Ways and expecting obedience to the Lord in those who profess to know Him, we have accepted and embraced the world's ways. That is why we don't look any different than the world (II Tim. 3).
You are not all wrong there. I do agree. but you are so judgemental few would stay around you long. This is not something God approves of. He always pointed out the heart that was His was more important than the fact that His children were often imperfect. "God be merciful to me a sinner" said one sinner and was acccepted by God. You'd have tossed em. bad
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RE: Divorce - One Stop Thread - 5/15/2008 5:27:56 PM
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I don't know - i had this thread recommended to me, i post and i'm totally ignored! Lastblast and keeping faith, from the posts since my one yesterday, you seem like my kind of people. Are you church goers? - or biblebased like me, because the churches are soooooo awful and unbiblical?
The only people recommending divorce are those who want to do it! They put their immediate life before Salvation and God's eternal Word, the bible. The same people, generally want homosexuality not to be a sin, women priests, all the things that have changed in the world. SATAN's world. So we must follow suit or the churches will be empty.
Wake up, church attendance in the UK anyway is so low (4% yes 4% go and 96% DON'T!) because the bible isn't there and nor is God's Spirit! If we do actually believe in the POWER of God, then we would teach and live biblically and God would have true believers flocking to the churches. Instead people lean on their own cleverness, education and strength and look at the mess the churches are in because of it!
Obey God's eternal WISDOM in the bible. Relax you mind, allow yourself to be weak and God strong in your life. Stop looking for loop holes, or get out clauses. Divorce is not biblical! If you divide the 1 God has made - you get 2 halves of that one, NOT 1 person and another 1 person. It is a sin to marry a divorced person or for a divorced person to get married.
Have we looked at a serious 'sexual sin' and its meaning. Someone please answer that one? Is it your get out clause? I believe NO, it's just misunderstood and mistaught.
Lastblast & keepingfaith - i'll add you to the list of people on this site who restore my faith in God's family of believers. If you have more of what you have said above, i'd start a church with you! Love to ALL readers/ posters, BibleBased.
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RE: Divorce - One Stop Thread - 5/15/2008 10:48:59 PM
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Tater, what do you do with I Cor. 5:11-13? Do you ignore it thinking Paul is being "judgmental" or do you think possibly that this discipline was put in place for the greater good of the Body----so that sin would not influence others and thereby increase within the Body?
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so you can only judge the "seen". "Judge not" He said...plainly. You sin in judging. What other sins would make you get rid of em?
The not judging has to do with the UNBELIEVER, Tater, not concerning those who CALL themselves brother/sister. We ARE supposed to judge each other---IF, we choose not to judge ourselves. Jesus does not tell us NOT to judge, what He does tell us is not to judge hypocritically. We are FIRST supposed to purge known sin out of our lives, so we are healthy enough to HELP our brethren.
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You are not all wrong there. I do agree. but you are so judgemental few would stay around you long. This is not something God approves of. He always pointed out the heart that was His was more important than the fact that His children were often imperfect. "God be merciful to me a sinner" said one sinner and was acccepted by God. You'd have tossed em. bad
Again, imperfect is far from living immorally and telling others to accept it/them AS THEY ARE. Jesus accepts us as we are when we submit our lives to Him, BUT...............He does not leave us as we are. He desires us to be conformed to HIS image and if we are living immorally, we are not representing Him, nor are we submitting to Him...........and this is a big one----we are HURTING the Body of Christ---other believers as we are ONE ENTITY.........and that is why Jesus says to cut off your hand if it offends you, and why Paul says to put that immoral brother out of the fellowship. It has to do with the good of the WHOLE. The Body of Christ looks VERY sick because we are walking in disobedience.
I will say one other thing: sometimes when some churches DO practice discipline, they do not do it with a heart of love. They REJECT COMPLETELY---without genuine desire to see the wayward healed and restored. The thing is that Jesus does want the wayward to come back. Restoration/reconcilation are who He is............and because we are called ministers of reconciliation, that is who we should be also! Blessings..........
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RE: Divorce - One Stop Thread - 5/15/2008 11:19:57 PM
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Biblebased,
Believe it or not, there are many true blue Christians around. The problem is that many who call themselves believers are merely "churched" and they get religion and relationship confused. They think if they do "churchy" things and get their attendance card stamped, they are serving God and AOK. The thing is that many of us are starting to see that there is a serious relationship deficit and that is why there is so much sin and so much religion in the church----and NOT life changing relationship.
If one is growing in relationship with Jesus they WANT to purge the sin in their life. They realize that sinful attitudes, behaviors, etc are not "salt and light", but they are things that will cause us to be trampled under men's feet if we continue in them. When we speak of the power of God, people want to see LIVES CHANGED, not empty words that do not produce real heartfelt action/sacrifice/transformation. We are certainly living in the days of II Tim. 3 when the spiritual are those who have a "form of godliness", yet deny the power thereof.
Those who have Jesus dwelling within them DO have the power to LOVE (I Cor. 13) as Jesus loves. Many say, "I do not have to LOVE that scoundrel!"............"I do not have to be longsuffering, Jesus gives me an out"..............."My love for so and so DID fail, because they did me wrong"................
What many are failing to realize is that LOVE----the real kind of sacrificial, "I love you even though you don't love me" LOVE is the power that Jesus gives us. This love gives us the ability to forgive our enemies..........to pray for them...........to feed them when they are hungry........to give them drink when they are thirsty.
Will we be tested in this area??? You better believe it. Will we fail many times...........yes, and the reason we will fail is because we allow our flesh to rule instead of submitting our flesh to the power of the Holy Spirit, who gives us the ability to LOVE.
Don't be cynical brother..............Just as you love God, but are presently imperfect, yet desiring to grow in HIM, look for those whom the Lord is doing a work in----those who are presently also imperfect vessels, but who want to walk in a pleasing way to the Lord........who want the "dark" areas of their lives exposed so that they will no longer be "dark", but so Christ's light will shine in them instead. Many today do not want the "dark" exposed and will fight to stay where they are at (Jesus spoke of them). Don't be discouraged by such. Be encouraged by those you meet who DO want to be conformed in the likeness of Christ---those who KNOW they are far from perfect, but who also do not want to stay where they are. Blessings..........
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RE: Divorce - One Stop Thread - 5/16/2008 2:29:23 PM
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Tater,
My post was not aimed at you or anyone in particular.
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RE: Divorce - One Stop Thread - 5/16/2008 6:55:54 PM
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keepingfaith
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Mt. 5 and 19 speak about divorce being permitted in the case of sexual infidelity.
Jesus doesn’t appear to agree with this interpretation of Matthew. If we are without sin or we are a Pharisee we can “stone” our spouse for adultery by divorcing them, otherwise we should be like Jesus and give forgiveness, mercy and grace.
The audience in Matthew was Jewish and this exception was referring to the Jewish betrothal that we don't practice. It was more of a type of annulment before the actual marriage when a woman was found not to be a virgin (see Mary and Joseph's story). That is why this exception is not mentioned in either of the other 2 Gospels written to the Gentiles. In those Jesus says EVERYONE who divorces and remarries commits adultery because "divorce" does not dissolve the marriage- only death does. 1cor7:39, Rom 7:2-3
John 8:3-11
“The teachers of the law and the Pharisees brought in a woman caught in adultery. They made her stand before the group and said to Jesus, "Teacher, this woman was caught in the act of adultery. In the Law Moses commanded us to stone such women. Now what do you say?" They were using this question as a trap, in order to have a basis for accusing him.
But Jesus bent down and started to write on the ground with his finger. When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, "If any one of you is without sin, let him be the first to throw a stone at her." Again he stooped down and wrote on the ground.
At this, those who heard began to go away one at a time, the older ones first, until only Jesus was left, with the woman still standing there. Jesus straightened up and asked her, "Woman, where are they? Has no one condemned you?" "No one, sir," she said. "Then neither do I condemn you," Jesus declared. "Go now and leave your life of sin."
2 Cor 5:17
“All this is from God, who reconciled us to himself through Christ and gave us the ministry of reconciliation: that God was reconciling the world to himself in Christ, not counting men's sins against them. And he has committed to us the message of RECONCILIATION.”
< Message edited by keepingfaith -- 5/16/2008 7:03:14 PM >
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RE: Divorce - One Stop Thread - 5/16/2008 6:59:31 PM
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I'd like to see a GOOD definition of marriage...
Is it the legal contract (the ceremony and licence)? Or is it the heart committment that is made?
In many cases, the marriage is just a legal contract...one party or the other has NO intention of making that heart committment...
If it's just a legal contract...contracts can be broken.
I would encourage everyone to read Ephesians 5 for the definition of marriage and decide for yourself if some of the horror stories recounted here really qualify as a marriage.
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RE: Divorce - One Stop Thread - 5/16/2008 8:22:18 PM
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keepingfaith
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I'd like to see a GOOD definition of marriage...
Is it the legal contract (the ceremony and licence)? Or is it the heart committment that is made?
In many cases, the marriage is just a legal contract...one party or the other has NO intention of making that heart committment...
If it's just a legal contract...contracts can be broken.
I would encourage everyone to read Ephesians 5 for the definition of marriage and decide for yourself if some of the horror stories recounted here really qualify as a marriage.
God instituted the law of marriage in Genesis 3 with Adam and Eve... they were made one flesh upon their vows made. God does the joining...not a Pastor or a marriage certificate. And when He joins us, we are "never again two..."
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RE: Divorce - One Stop Thread - 5/17/2008 6:29:39 AM
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I just can't see the point of this thread. It's like the evolution/ creation debates. You either believe God's Word, or look to find 'get-outs' which aren't there. I read someone was using human experts, always unwise. The church goers i know aren't in the Word of God daily.
I don't claim to be a highly educated expert. A trained man either. Just a human fool who is daily in the Word of God, so knows what it says. God loves us all and knows what's right for us. The topic/ debate is pointless because on the side of divorce you have human inteligence disobeying the Bible, and against divorce you have 'fools' like me, who believe in God's Wisdom, love, strength in our lives. Please consider me a FOOL, i'm in good biblical company. Love to ALL readers BibleBased.
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RE: Divorce - One Stop Thread - 5/17/2008 6:59:41 AM
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The main point of this thread is so that divorce/remarriage discussions don't clog up the Marriage Folder. People who post there get directed to here so that the Marriage Folder stays clear for other topics. It also means it's easy to find.
HERE is a link (with a list) regarding One-Stop Threads at Crosswalk.
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