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RE: joyce meyer - 4/7/2008 1:40:47 PM
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OK! This is in response to anyone that is unclear of what god wants for his people (children).
God said that he wanted us to prosper in every way spritualy,health,wealth,
Prosper is a relative term. Everything must be seen from His view point and not our own.
And everything must be compared to Scripture in context.
Still waiting for Leatha to give us the opportunity to do that. Not holding my breath!
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RE: joyce meyer - 4/7/2008 1:47:59 PM
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We have done it for her 36 pages... doesn't seem to matter...
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RE: joyce meyer - 4/7/2008 2:27:59 PM
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OK! This is in response to anyone that is unclear of what god wants for his people (children).
God said that he wanted us to prosper in every way spritualy,health,wealth, so why do people get in such a bunch when they see that someone in the ministry is doing really well, I don't understand this, because it is ok for rappers, designers and whom ever else that dosn't have anything to do with the kingdom of god to get rich and make money , i mean what do you think they shouldn't get paid to do thier JOB yes this is considered a JOB a fulltime job as a matter of fact. I love to see someone in the kingdom doing good it is a reflection of all the wonderful things god has instore for you and anyone involved in this wonderful walk in christ.
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This so ignorant Blah, Blah ,BLAH, BLAH, what are you talking about don't use scriputures to back up ignorance.
Right back atcha...where's yours? Put it out there and give us the opportunity to prove you absolutely wrong.
Somethin' about the pot calling the kettle black.... 
As earthless said...Don't count on it. As you notice, this person has made only 2 posts. SOunds like a post and run.
I sometimes believe that these ministries send people to these forums to stir things up
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RE: joyce meyer - 5/29/2008 12:27:48 PM
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From the thread in Books...
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Meyer's house, the largest of the five, is a 10,000-square-foot Cape Cod style estate home with a guest house and a garage that can be independently heated and cooled and can hold up to eight cars. The three-acre property has a large fountain, a gazebo, a private putting green, a pool and a poolhouse where the ministry recently added a $10,000 bathroom.
Goodness gracious! I've been involved in the wrong ministries!
However, in all fairness, she does need to have an "escape" of her own. When one is a heretic, they have to do their best to make Heaven on earth.
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RE: joyce meyer - 5/29/2008 1:26:07 PM
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From the thread in Books...
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Meyer's house, the largest of the five, is a 10,000-square-foot Cape Cod style estate home with a guest house and a garage that can be independently heated and cooled and can hold up to eight cars. The three-acre property has a large fountain, a gazebo, a private putting green, a pool and a poolhouse where the ministry recently added a $10,000 bathroom.
Goodness gracious! I've been involved in the wrong ministries!
However, in all fairness, she does need to have an "escape" of her own. When one is a heretic, they have to do their best to make Heaven on earth.
Guess she didn't read the Scripture about storing treasures on earth
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RE: joyce meyer - 5/29/2008 2:06:03 PM
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From the thread in Books...
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Meyer's house, the largest of the five, is a 10,000-square-foot Cape Cod style estate home with a guest house and a garage that can be independently heated and cooled and can hold up to eight cars. The three-acre property has a large fountain, a gazebo, a private putting green, a pool and a pool house where the ministry recently added a $10,000 bathroom.
Goodness gracious! I've been involved in the wrong ministries!
However, in all fairness, she does need to have an "escape" of her own. When one is a heretic, they have to do their best to make Heaven on earth.
Guess she didn't read the Scripture about storing treasures on earth
Guess not. I think she missed some other Scriptures as well.
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RE: joyce meyer - 5/29/2008 4:06:27 PM
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I see nothing wrong with her using the money she makes of the books she sells and other things like that to support herself and her family.
Are these necessary to "support" her family?
I'm glad my spouse doesn't NEED a $107,000 Mercedes, or my daughter a $46,000 Lexus!
- French clock in the ministry's Fenton headquarters...$11,000
- Crownline boat docked behind her vacation home at Lake of the Ozarks...$105,000
- Pair of Dresden vases...$19,000
- Six French crystal vases...$18,500
- Dresden porcelain depicting the Nativity...$8,000
- Two curio cabinets...$12,000
- Porcelain of the Crucifixion...$5,700
- Pair of German porcelain vases...$5,200
- Malachite round table...$30,000
- Marble-topped antique commode...$23,000
- Custom office bookcase...$14,000
- Stations of the Cross in Dresden porcelain...$7,000
- Eagle sculpture on a pedestal...$6,300
- Another eagle made of silver...$5,000
- Numerous paintings...$1,000 to $4,000 each
- Conference table and 18 chairs...$49,000
- Woodwork in the offices of Meyer and her husband...$44,000
- Bathroom addition...$10,000
- 2003 Lexus SC sports car with a retractable top for Ms Meyer...$53,000
- 2001 Lexus sedan for her son Dan, 25...$46,000
- Mercedes-Benz S55 AMG for Meyer's husband...$107,000
- Canadair CL-600 Challenger jet corporate jet...$10 MILLION
- Her home...$2 million
- Houses for her four children...$2 million
.....- Distorting the Word of God and fleecing the flock for PROFIT......
...............................................................................................PRICELESS!!
I'm not sure if you're aware of this, but the St. Louis Post Dispatch article that you repeatedly use as your source for posting about the value of her tangibles was retracted due to the fact that it contained errors. I'm sure there are some elements of the article that were accurate, but without knowing what was factual and what was erroneous, I think it's probably prudent not to keep using this as a source.
http://ministrywatch.com/mw2.1/pdf/Article_062705_JoyceMeyer.pdf
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RE: joyce meyer - 5/29/2008 5:10:44 PM
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Yet her heretical teachings and the false Word of Faith doctrine she promotes remain.
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RE: joyce meyer - 6/4/2008 1:19:20 PM
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From Joyce Meyer's website:
Is Joyce Meyer Ministries a "word of faith" ministry?
Joyce Meyer Ministries believes in the Word of God. Joyce teaches that God has made promises to us in His Word and as believers, we should trust His promises (see 2 Peter 1:3,4). However, it can be damaging when people place their faith in faith alone instead of placing their faith in God. Misappropriation of God’s promises solely for personal gain is not scripturally supported.
From the organiztion's Statement of Faith:
We can have a personal relationship with God through salvation, God's free gift to man. It is not a result of what we do, but it is only available through God's unearned favor. By admitting we have sinned and believing in the death, burial and resurrection of Christ, and accepting Him as Lord, we can spend eternity with God.
Ephesians 2:8,9; Romans 5:1; Romans 3:24
The entire Statement of Faith can be accessed here:
http://www.joycemeyer.org/AboutUs/StatementOfFaith/default.htm
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RE: joyce meyer - 6/4/2008 1:28:37 PM
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The problem I have with any WOF teachings is that some of the Godliest, kindest, most sincere and loving Christians I have known have been financially poo-rs as church mice . Well, poor as church mice in a non WOF church.
Some of the meanest, most spiritually immature, walk on the line type believers have been loaded with money.
WOf theology does not wash.
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RE: joyce meyer - 6/4/2008 2:49:07 PM
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From Joyce Meyer's website:
Is Joyce Meyer Ministries a "word of faith" ministry?
Joyce Meyer Ministries believes in the Word of God. Joyce teaches that God has made promises to us in His Word and as believers, we should trust His promises (see 2 Peter 1:3,4). However, it can be damaging when people place their faith in faith alone instead of placing their faith in God. Misappropriation of God’s promises solely for personal gain is not scripturally supported.
From the organiztion's Statement of Faith:
We can have a personal relationship with God through salvation, God's free gift to man. It is not a result of what we do, but it is only available through God's unearned favor. By admitting we have sinned and believing in the death, burial and resurrection of Christ, and accepting Him as Lord, we can spend eternity with God.
Ephesians 2:8,9; Romans 5:1; Romans 3:24
The entire Statement of Faith can be accessed here:
http://www.joycemeyer.org/AboutUs/StatementOfFaith/default.htm
alias007...With all due respect, there have been numerous examples given on this thread (video, audio, text), most of it from Joyce Meyer's own mouth, that confirms she teaches and supports WoF theology. Not to mention the fact that she consistently shares the stage with many other "superstars" of the WOF cult.
Statements of faith are just words. It's your actions that define you. And Joyce Meyer's actions prove that she is a WoF proponent.
BTW, even though the St Louis Dispatch retracted some of their expose on her, there is no denying the photos available of her "compound" and her many lavish possessions.
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RE: joyce meyer - 6/4/2008 9:03:30 PM
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From Joyce Meyer's website:
Is Joyce Meyer Ministries a "word of faith" ministry?
Joyce Meyer Ministries believes in the Word of God. Joyce teaches that God has made promises to us in His Word and as believers, we should trust His promises (see 2 Peter 1:3,4). However, it can be damaging when people place their faith in faith alone instead of placing their faith in God. Misappropriation of God’s promises solely for personal gain is not scripturally supported.
From the organiztion's Statement of Faith:
We can have a personal relationship with God through salvation, God's free gift to man. It is not a result of what we do, but it is only available through God's unearned favor. By admitting we have sinned and believing in the death, burial and resurrection of Christ, and accepting Him as Lord, we can spend eternity with God.
Ephesians 2:8,9; Romans 5:1; Romans 3:24
The entire Statement of Faith can be accessed here:
http://www.joycemeyer.org/AboutUs/StatementOfFaith/default.htm
alias007...With all due respect, there have been numerous examples given on this thread (video, audio, text), most of it from Joyce Meyer's own mouth, that confirms she teaches and supports WoF theology. Not to mention the fact that she consistently shares the stage with many other "superstars" of the WOF cult.
Statements of faith are just words. It's your actions that define you. And Joyce Meyer's actions prove that she is a WoF proponent.
BTW, even though the St Louis Dispatch retracted some of their expose on her, there is no denying the photos available of her "compound" and her many lavish possessions.
With all due respect, I don't think you are helping your case by repeatedly posting material from an article that has been retracted. If you didn't know it was retracted, it looks bad because you didn't bother to check out your sources. If you did know, it looks dishonest because you posted it in bad faith- knowing you couldn't rely on its accuracy.
I'll be honest: I haven't made up my mind about Joyce Meyer. But I don't feel like this thread is making my decision any easier. I feel like both sides aren't being presented fairly. Anytime anyone says something positive about her, the Joyce opponents immediately jump on them (often in a condescending manner). This makes people who don't believe Joyce Meyer is a heretic, less likely to jump into the discussion. That makes for a very one sided debate.
Someone even mentioned that we should pray for her, that God will reveal any fallacies she is teaching. But few, if any, people jumped in and agreed with this idea. This being a Christian forum, that really bothered me.
Like I said, I haven't made my mind up about Ms. Meyer, and I have even contacted her ministry to ask about specific doctrinal issues that were brought up in this thread. I am trying to be a conscientous follower of Christ, but I firmly believe in getting both sides of the story before forming an opinion on something. Especially something as serious as labeling someone a heretic.
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RE: joyce meyer - 6/4/2008 9:21:57 PM
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First of all, I do not think Joyce Meyer is a heretic. False teacher...yes.
Secondly, I was aware that there were errors in that series of articles. However, those errors were not related to the many lavish "trinkets" I have listed. It is a fact that she owns those as well as the multi million dollar compound she lives at.
In addition, many here have provided direct quotes that she has made. Quotes that are in direct contradiction to Scripture.
As a result of this information and this forum, some people here have had their spiritual eyes opened to the unbiblical teachings of Joyce Meyer
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RE: joyce meyer - 6/4/2008 9:26:08 PM
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Regardless of how much money she fleeces from the flock...
The core problem with Joyce Meyer are her teachings - they are Word of Faith and she denies Jesus atoned for our sin on the cross.
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RE: joyce meyer - 6/4/2008 9:30:17 PM
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Joyce Meyer is a heretic. If you are smart you will burn those books, pick up your Bible and let the Holy Spirit lead you to truth - His truth - and not one "revealed" by a woman who dresses like a Las Vegas call girl.
The word heretic has been thrown around quite a bit in this thread. Thank you for clarifying that you do not consider her a heretic. I would still submit that "false teacher" is a serious accusation, and one that I will not bestow lightly.
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RE: joyce meyer - 6/4/2008 9:42:59 PM
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With all due respect, I don't think you are helping your case by repeatedly posting material from an article that has been retracted. If you didn't know it was retracted, it looks bad because you didn't bother to check out your sources. If you did know, it looks dishonest because you posted it in bad faith- knowing you couldn't rely on its accuracy.
I'll be honest: I haven't made up my mind about Joyce Meyer. But I don't feel like this thread is making my decision any easier. I feel like both sides aren't being presented fairly. Anytime anyone says something positive about her, the Joyce opponents immediately jump on them (often in a condescending manner). This makes people who don't believe Joyce Meyer is a heretic, less likely to jump into the discussion. That makes for a very one sided debate.
Someone even mentioned that we should pray for her, that God will reveal any fallacies she is teaching. But few, if any, people jumped in and agreed with this idea. This being a Christian forum, that really bothered me.
Like I said, I haven't made my mind up about Ms. Meyer, and I have even contacted her ministry to ask about specific doctrinal issues that were brought up in this thread. I am trying to be a conscientous follower of Christ, but I firmly believe in getting both sides of the story before forming an opinion on something. Especially something as serious as labeling someone a heretic.
OK, forget the article. Look at the other 35 pages here where her teaching and doctrine have been compared to scripture and found wanting.
She is a heretic. If you honestly have questions, post them and you will get answers.
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RE: joyce meyer - 6/5/2008 7:56:07 AM
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I would still submit that "false teacher" is a serious accusation, and one that I will not bestow lightly.
It is and it has not been bestowed lightly. The 35+ pages of this thread contains a plethora of video, audio, written documentation (evidence) that shows her teachings and beliefs do not pass the test of Scripture.
I personally know Joyce Meyer (my MIL does events with her) and she is classic Word of Faith. That alone is a behemoth of a red flag for anyone discerning Christian.
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RE: joyce meyer - 6/5/2008 12:10:48 PM
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If there is anything "good" about her teachings is in her encouraging women to avoid the pitty-party mentality. But her other teachings destroy any "good" teaching she may proclaim,
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RE: joyce meyer - 6/5/2008 1:18:34 PM
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If there is anything "good" about her teachings is in her encouraging women to avoid the pitty-party mentality. But her other teachings destroy any "good" teaching she may proclaim,
Exactly....Rat poison is 90% non-toxic. But the other 10% is enough to kill the rat
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RE: joyce meyer - 6/5/2008 4:21:24 PM
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Thank you for the offer, but I don't feel led to post any questions here. Honestly, the overall tone of this thread makes me a little uncomfortable. In my humble opinion, direct quotations from her books or tapes that are in contradiction to the Bible are a great deal more effective than posting pictures of her house and belongings and criticizing the way she chooses to dress.
Personally, I find rational, objective arguments much more reliable and convincing than ones laced with sarcasm, condescension, and hostility.
Despite my reservations, I have read through the thread, and I will certainly take into consideration all the points that have been made. I specifically appreciate the posts that included the direct quotations. I doubt I will be posting in this thread again, but I want to say thanks to everyone for the discussion.
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RE: joyce meyer - 6/5/2008 4:43:32 PM
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Despite my reservations, I have read through the thread, and I will certainly take into consideration all the points that have been made. I specifically appreciate the posts that included the direct quotations. I doubt I will be posting in this thread again, but I want to say thanks to everyone for the discussion.
You have been warned about her false teachings.
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RE: joyce meyer - 6/5/2008 5:44:26 PM
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Joyce Meyer Ministries believes in the Word of God....
If she truly believed then she would obey the Word.
2 Pet 2:1-3
1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.
2 And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.
3 And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not.
She cherry-picks the Bible to find verses that seemingly support her self-love theology, and she’s in it for the cash like all other so-called evangelical celebrites.
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RE: joyce meyer - 6/5/2008 7:01:10 PM
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In my humble opinion, direct quotations from her books or tapes that are in contradiction to the Bible are a great deal more effective than posting pictures of her house and belongings and criticizing the way she chooses to dress.
In her 1991 booklet, The Most Important Decision You Will Ever Make, an evangelistic work aimed at nonbelievers, she resounds the Word-Faith view of Christ’s atonement:
“During that time He entered hell, where you and I deserved to go (legally) because of our sin. He paid the price there ... no plan was too extreme ... Jesus paid on the cross and in hell” (pg. 35, underlining in the original).
“God rose up from His throne and said to demon powers tormenting the sinless Son of God, ‘Let Him go.’ Then the resurrection power of Almighty God went through hell and filled Jesus ... He was resurrected from the dead — the first born-again man” (pg. 36, underlining in the original).
“His spirit went to hell because that is where we deserved to go. Remember in the very beginning of this, I said, ‘When you die, only your body dies. The rest of you, your soul and spirit, goes either to heaven or hell’” (ibid.).
“There is no hope of anyone going to heaven unless they believe this truth I am presenting. You cannot go to heaven unless you believe with all your heart that Jesus took your place in hell” (ibid.).
“Jesus went to hell for you” (pg. 38, underlining in the original).
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RE: joyce meyer - 6/5/2008 7:16:23 PM
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In my humble opinion, direct quotations from her books or tapes that are in contradiction to the Bible are a great deal more effective than posting pictures of her house and belongings and criticizing the way she chooses to dress.
In her 1991 booklet, The Most Important Decision You Will Ever Make, an evangelistic work aimed at nonbelievers, she resounds the Word-Faith view of Christ’s atonement:
“During that time He entered hell, where you and I deserved to go (legally) because of our sin. He paid the price there ... no plan was too extreme ... Jesus paid on the cross and in hell” (pg. 35, underlining in the original).
“God rose up from His throne and said to demon powers tormenting the sinless Son of God, ‘Let Him go.’ Then the resurrection power of Almighty God went through hell and filled Jesus ... He was resurrected from the dead — the first born-again man” (pg. 36, underlining in the original).
“His spirit went to hell because that is where we deserved to go. Remember in the very beginning of this, I said, ‘When you die, only your body dies. The rest of you, your soul and spirit, goes either to heaven or hell’” (ibid.).
“There is no hope of anyone going to heaven unless they believe this truth I am presenting. You cannot go to heaven unless you believe with all your heart that Jesus took your place in hell” (ibid.).
“Jesus went to hell for you” (pg. 38, underlining in the original).
Where did this teaching come from? Not her book but the doctrine?
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RE: joyce meyer - 6/6/2008 7:38:45 AM
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In my humble opinion, direct quotations from her books or tapes that are in contradiction to the Bible are a great deal more effective than posting pictures of her house and belongings and criticizing the way she chooses to dress.
In her 1991 booklet, The Most Important Decision You Will Ever Make, an evangelistic work aimed at nonbelievers, she resounds the Word-Faith view of Christ’s atonement:
“During that time He entered hell, where you and I deserved to go (legally) because of our sin. He paid the price there ... no plan was too extreme ... Jesus paid on the cross and in hell” (pg. 35, underlining in the original).
“God rose up from His throne and said to demon powers tormenting the sinless Son of God, ‘Let Him go.’ Then the resurrection power of Almighty God went through hell and filled Jesus ... He was resurrected from the dead — the first born-again man” (pg. 36, underlining in the original).
“His spirit went to hell because that is where we deserved to go. Remember in the very beginning of this, I said, ‘When you die, only your body dies. The rest of you, your soul and spirit, goes either to heaven or hell’” (ibid.).
“There is no hope of anyone going to heaven unless they believe this truth I am presenting. You cannot go to heaven unless you believe with all your heart that Jesus took your place in hell” (ibid.).
“Jesus went to hell for you” (pg. 38, underlining in the original).
Where did this teaching come from? Not her book but the doctrine?
I'm not sure of it's origin, but if you Google something like "Jesus went to hell", you will find many well known false teachers within the WoF cult (Meyer, Osteen, Copeland, Hagin) that subscribe to this doctrine.
They believe that Jesus' death on the cross was not sufficient and did not atone for our sins. Rather, he had to decend to hell, fight the devil in some mythical battle, and then become the first "born again" man.
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"This would be the first step in apostasy; men first forget the true, and then adore the false.".......C.H. Spurgeon
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