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RE: joyce meyer - 12/11/2005 9:04:25 AM
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I have been leading a nursing home ministry for 18 years....Those folks in there are certainly not "wealthy or even healty", but they are humble and filled with the love of Jesus. The Lord really loves the humble and brokenhearted.
I have never received an offering, except one time, Charlie, who was a cripple, and is now in heaven, insisted I take the $20 he offered me. I would not have taken it except he insisted and this was in the presence of his sister. I used that $20 to buy gospel music tapes, which I shared with my nursing home congregation.
Nellie once gave me a pack of soda crackers, and a penny. Mrs Katie and her twin sister, 92 years old, once gave me $5 for a Christmas present...Mrs Katie went to be with the Lord last year, and her sister is still living. By the way, Mrs. Cassie, Katie's sister, fell and broke her hip. She was put in the nursing home for rehab. She was only there two weeks, and during one of our services, she suddenly spoke up and said, "Brother Rozier, the Lord done healed me. I think I'll go on home now." And then, she got up out of her wheel chair, and walked down to the nursing station, checked herself out. A few months later, she was visiting her sister at one of my services. When I played the song I wrote, "When Will the Answer Come?", she got up and began dancing as the Spirit moved on her.
I wonder if Joyce Meyer and other WOF ministers would preach at a nursing home where they received no offerings? I doubt it very much.
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RE: joyce meyer - 12/11/2005 9:44:34 AM
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You have got to be joking!!!! Since when isn't a woman good enough to preach Gods word?? This is 2005 people!!! I am so surprised that more women did not respond to this chauvinistic thinking yet. I would love to say more to you both but i would be kicked out of this forum becasue I am so angry at what i just read.
2005? This post speaks volumes regarding your approach to scripture. I would suggest that you read 1 Timothy (especially Ch 2) and the thread regarding this topic... And Ch 3 gives the context... how people ought to behave themselves in the house of God.
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RE: joyce meyer - 12/11/2005 10:23:33 AM
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Heb 13:5-9 Be free from the love of money, content with such things as you have, for he has said, "I will in no way leave you, neither will I in any way forsake you." (6) So that with good courage we say, "The Lord is my helper. I will not fear. What can man do to me?" (7) Remember your leaders, men who spoke to you the word of God, and considering the results of their conduct, imitate their faith. (8) Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today, and forever. (9) Don't be carried away by various and strange teachings, for it is good that the heart be established by grace, not by food, through which those who were so occupied were not benefited.
Heb 13:16-18 But don't forget to be doing good and sharing, for with such sacrifices God is well pleased. (17) Obey your leaders and submit to them, for they watch on behalf of your souls, as those who will give account, that they may do this with joy, and not with groaning, for that would be unprofitable for you. (18) Pray for us, for we are persuaded that we have a good conscience, desiring to live honorably in all things.
And remember that there were things in the OT that God even required that were not what He desired.
Heb 10:8-10 Previously saying, "Sacrifices and offerings and whole burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin you didn't desire, neither had pleasure in them" (those which are offered according to the law), (9) then he has said, "Behold, I have come to do your will." He takes away the first, that he may establish the second, (10) by which will we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
Trying to use Solomon to justify self indulgence in the NT church appears to be a stretch at best. That same line of reasoning has been used to argue for having multiple wives and slaves.
Heb 8:6-7 But now he has obtained a more excellent ministry, by so much as he is also the mediator of a better covenant, which on better promises has been given as law. (7) For if that first covenant had been faultless, then no place would have been sought for a second.
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RE: joyce meyer - 12/11/2005 1:23:38 PM
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Some of this is getting waaaay too rich; and while it's impolite to laugh at those mentioned in Hebrews 12:15 (short version: "you attack out of lack"), I must point out a few things.
It's been suggested that living to a ripe old age is somehow unspiritual. Perhaps we should amend John Lennon's statement, and not trust any Christian over 40.
It's also been suggested that those who live like kings are suspect. We still have family that lives behind what was once called the Iron Curtain. I'm sure that they would call us unsaved because one family here is living in a three bedroom house by themselves!
As to whether Joyce or other preachers/teachers like her would accept an invitation to a nursing home: Perhaps they would; perhaps they wouldn't. I suggest we find out. Send letters of invitation to Joyce, Kenneth, Creflo and Jesse. Send identical letters to Dr. Graham, Chuck Swindoll, D. James Kennedy, and Charles Stanley. After all, you recieve not because you ask not. I'm sure the latter four would be a tremendous blessing to your home when they all show up to preach.
In fairness, I do have irrefutable proof of the moral decadence of three w-o-f preachers. I wondered why a heathen moneygrubber would choose to base her evil empire out of Fenton, Missouri. (If there is no scripture that says, "Can anything good come out of Fenton," then there should be). I dawned on me: Joyce out of Fenton, Creflo out of College Park, Kenneth out of Eagle Mountain... All are near a Six Flags!
String 'em up, boys!
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RE: joyce meyer - 12/11/2005 1:53:15 PM
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RE: joyce meyer - 12/11/2005 2:33:31 PM
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There is a huge difference between being financially blessed by God, as were a few [not all] Biblical figures, and abusing the Scriptures for financial gain to live in luxury off the backs of your followers, which is what WOF teachers do.
Not all Biblical believers were rich, and not all were poor. We have as examples a few who had great wealth, and we have the incredibly poor faithful such as the widow who gave her last two coppers and expected no financial gain in return. Yet WOF teaches and demands it's followers to expect great wealth from God. This is all the folks who are speaking out against WOF teachings are trying to point out here. It's is not a matter of being jealous, or attacking people just because they have money. The money itself is not the sin... it's how that money was gained, how it's used, and how it's idolized which is the sin and the issue. It's about the very core of WOF teachings, how those teachings contradict the Bible, and the visible results - or fruits - of those contradictory teachings as seen in the lives of those who preach WOF.
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RE: joyce meyer - 12/11/2005 2:38:13 PM
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I have been leading a nursing home ministry for 18 years....Those folks in there are certainly not "wealthy or even healty", but they are humble and filled with the love of Jesus. The Lord really loves the humble and brokenhearted.
A lovely post, walkin2e.
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RE: joyce meyer - 12/11/2005 2:38:16 PM
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Like i said before any woman is good enough to preach the word of God. But again we agree to disagree on that. Watching her has helped me in many ways become a better christian, and I am fairly new to this ( 2002) I read the bible now almost every day because of watching her show. I keep a journal becauseof her teaching. I try very hard to see the blessings God gave me because of her and believe me it i shard since my marriage is not great and I have depression. But I try every day to thank Him for what I do have . Its ok that we disagree. You have a blessed day tomorrow.
Be a doer of the Word, not just a hearer (or for that fact, just a reader). The Word of God is clear on the spiritual order; God, man, then woman. There is a reason why only men were made to lead. Women have their own place. If you cannot accept this then you should take it up with God Himself.
And to say "we can agree to disagree" is a weak cop out. Either follow the Word of God or follow your own way.
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And what is a womans place?? I am sure it is in your mind a place in which she only thinks of your needs. Also when I said we agree to disagree I was talking to BROSHANE not you....Not all christians have the same way of thinking. I am a woman and if it weren't for us noone would be on this earth. I just think its ashame that in this day and age there are men that think women are below them.
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RE: joyce meyer - 12/11/2005 2:48:11 PM
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Be a doer of the Word, not just a hearer (or for that fact, just a reader). The Word of God is clear on the spiritual order; God, man, then woman. There is a reason why only men were made to lead. Women have their own place. If you cannot accept this then you should take it up with God Himself.
Be a doer?? Do you know me? Let me just say that the bible was written many many many years ago. Times change. Women ar enot just slaves to men anymore and I am sure that pleases God. I have a personal relationship with God and I am sure he appreciates that i am a strong woman and do not feel as though I am beneath any man.
I do give my husband respect and do for him...but...he also does the same for me. So I am a doer of submitting to my husband , but i am not bowing down to his every whim, just as he does not with me. Its called respect.
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RE: joyce meyer - 12/11/2005 2:54:01 PM
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Dear mom2jules:
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Let me just say that the bible was written many many many years ago. Times change.
Heb 13:8 Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever.
Lk 21:33 "Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will never pass away."
Jn 12:49 “For I did not speak on My own initiative, but the Father Himself who sent Me has given Me comandmandment, what to say, and what to speak. 50 And I know that His commandment is eternal life; therefore the things I speak, I speak just as the Father has told Me.”
1 Pet 1:23 For you have been born again, not of perishable seed, but of imperishable, through the living and enduring word of God, 24 For, "All men are like grass, and all their glory is like the flowers of the field; the grass withers and the flowers fall, 25 but the word of the Lord stands forever." And this is the word that was preached to you.
Jam 1:17 Every good and perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of the heavenly lights, who does not change like shifting shadows.
Malachi 3:6 "I the Lord do not change."
Prov 30:5 Every word of God is flawless; He is a shield to those who take refuge in Him. 6 Do not add to His words, or He will rebuke you and prove you a liar.
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I have a personal relationship with God and I am sure he appreciates that i am a strong woman and do not feel as though I am beneath any man.
We are not inferior to men or less loved by God... but we do have different Biblical roles given to us by God Himself. Time does not change His Word. His Word is the Truth.
To get back on topic... because the Word of the Lord does not change, the teachings of WOF - which contradict the Word - are incorrect and clearly contradictory to that one unchanging Word of the Lord. The Word is just as applicable today as it was the day it was wriiten down for us. So when the Word in it's pure wisdom tells us to test all spirits and run from false teachers, we should simply do as it says.
God bless you!
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RE: joyce meyer - 12/11/2005 3:16:02 PM
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I haev been wanting to know for awhile now...what does W.O.F. stand for? Thanks
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RE: joyce meyer - 12/11/2005 3:41:57 PM
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Dear mom2jules:
No problem! WOF stands for 'Word of Faith' - also called 'Word Faith'. It encompasses a particular set of doctrines taught by various preachers. Here's a few basic WOF doctrines if you are not familar with them already:
1. Jesus failed on the cross: Jesus did not atone for sin on the cross but instead was dragged into hell, became sinful in nature, and was spiritually reborn in hell.
2. Men are gods: Jesus came to earth as a man and 'worked' his way into Godhood and became born again. Since men are also born again, they have the same potential as Christ and are actually little Christs and gods, equal to Christ and able to do what He did.
3. Faith: Faith is believed to be a source of supernatural power. This 'force of faith' can be used by believers to attain what they desire.
4. Positive confession: They are to speak words in 'faith' to accomplish their goals and their desires. These desires can be material goods, wealth, health, success... whatever they want.
5. God is obligated to do our will: God allegedly promises wealth, prosperity, health, and success to believers. Therefore God must obey His own Word by giving believers these things when asked. WOF followers are told not to ask, but to demand what they want from God. If believers are not attaining these things, they are considered to be lacking in their faith and the fault lies with them.
Joyce Meyers, most unfortunately, does fall under the Word of Faith category and that is what so many are addressing here.
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RE: joyce meyer - 12/11/2005 3:45:03 PM
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Dear mom2jules:
No problem! WOF stands for 'Word of Faith' - also called 'Word Faith'. It encompasses a particular set of doctrines taught by various preachers. Here's a few basic WOF doctrines if you are not familar with them already:
1. Jesus failed on the cross: Jesus did not atone for sin on the cross but instead was dragged into hell, became sinful in nature, and was spiritually reborn in hell.
2. Men are gods: Jesus came to earth as a man and 'worked' his way into Godhood and became born again. Since men are also born again, they have the same potential as Christ and are actually little Christs and gods, equal to Christ and able to do what He did.
3. Faith: Faith is believed to be a source of supernatural power. This 'force of faith' can be used by believers to attain what they desire.
4. Positive confession: They are to speak words in 'faith' to accomplish their goals and their desires. These desires can be material goods, wealth, health, success... whatever they want.
5. God is obligated to do our will: God allegedly promises wealth, prosperity, health, and success to believers. Therefore God must obey His own Word by giving believers these things when asked. WOF followers are told not to ask, but to demand what they want from God. If believers are not attaining these things, they are considered to be lacking in their faith and the fault lies with them.
Joyce Meyers, most unfortunately, does fall under the Word of Faith category and that is what so many are addressing here.
Thankyou! I watch Joyce almost every day and do not see her in those categories, but ty for clearing the initial up for me...Have a blessed day.
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RE: joyce meyer - 12/11/2005 8:32:06 PM
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It must be really annoying that anything written by Solomon is in the Bible. Or that it mentions anything about people who owned homes or had servants or fishing boats. Is there a limit we must be watching for? i.e. K-Mart clothes are o-k, but anything above that in price is not? There was even a reference in an earlier post about her dressing Las Vegas-style. Was that a way of inviting discussion on her morals?
Interesting that those so hating any mention of prosperity are those so envious of someone else's money.
It's not having money and material things that's a problem. Nor is it envy from those of us who disagree with the WOF/prosperity/name-it-claim it et al. people. The problem arises when people say that God has promised us these things, we deserve them, and we are entitled to them. That's not Biblical.
Matthew 6:21 (ESV) For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.
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RE: joyce meyer - 12/11/2005 8:41:32 PM
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Nope. Not getting off this easy
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First, I find it astonishing that Meyers would have the gall, the unmitigated gall, to try and tell other people about the love of money. If someone tells me the love of money is idolatry, yet they live like a king, well, I'll just have to say something is amiss here.
It must be really annoying that anything written by Solomon is in the Bible. Or that it mentions anything about people who owned homes or had servants or fishing boats. Is there a limit we must be watching for? i.e. K-Mart clothes are o-k, but anything above that in price is not? There was even a reference in an earlier post about her dressing Las Vegas-style. Was that a way of inviting discussion on her morals?
Interesting that those so hating any mention of prosperity are those so envious of someone else's money.
Singling out only one part of the promise to Abraham is kinda like selecting which gifts of the Holy Spirit are in operation today, isn't it?
And, yes, we certainly have time to hear any explanation that the passage from Psalms means anything other than God is glorified and pleased when His servants prosper. And we would be particularly interested in why we should be blessed in every way except financially.
No book burning today, I guess.
First, let me reply to your assumption that Solomon's writings give me trouble. They surely do not. In fact, after a careful reading of Ecclesiastes you will fing that wealth (and the search of it) was one of the things listed as vanity. After looking at the things man does this is what he concluded:
Ecclesiastes 12:13 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.
Nope, nothing about financial prosperity there. Let's move on to the 35th Psalm.
If you read the entire pslam, and do not rely on ove verse, you will see this also has nothing to do with material wealth. It is a prayer of rescue from enemies, possibly written when David was being chased by Saul. There are repeated pleas against those that persecute David and bear false witness against him. Let's take a closer look at the verse you quoted:
Psalm 35:27 Let them shout for joy, and be glad, that favour my righteous cause: yea, let them say continually, Let the LORD be magnified, which hath pleasure in the prosperity of his servant.
The word tranlslated "prosperity" in English is shalowm, from the root shalam (to be at peace with). Shalowm means, primarily, completeness, soundness, welfare and peace. In fact, it is translated as "peace" over 170 times in the OT. It is only translted "prosperity" four times. In context of the 35th psalm the "prosperity" referred to is not financial, but peaceful. In sort, the Lord delights in the mutiplied peace of His servant. Again, you used this verse out of context and twisted it to mean something that it does not mean, say, or even hint at.
Just because a verse contains a word that seems to help prove your case doesn't mean anything. Try to prove something without understanding the context and the context will come back to bite you every time. A text without a context is a pretext.
Now, all this talk of envy and jealousness is really too much. Since when did pointing out the proverbial case of the pot calling the kettle black become a basis of envy? This is nothing more than an attempt to drag a big old, smelly red herring across the trail to divert the issue. Joyce Meyers is a heretic, not because of her dress or money, but because of her bad doctrine and false teaching. The lavish lifestyle is merely a symptom of the problem, not the actual problem.
Here's an interesting contradiction: if it is God's will that believers be financially blessed, and it is God's promise that they will be, then why not make the financial records of the ministry public - including how much she makes? Wouldn't that be nothing more than proof of what she is saying? And if those that believe what she says would not be jealous, why not show it all? Yet the accusations are that we have a problem when we point this out. It is the sure sign you have struck a nerve when, instead of an answered question, you receive an accusation. It speaks volumes.
Now, let's move to the final bit:
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Singling out only one part of the promise to Abraham is kinda like selecting which gifts of the Holy Spirit are in operation today, isn't it?
OK, I pointed out (in the scripture that you misused, BTW) what the promise of Abraham was. Please show me, with scripture in context, where financial prosperity is part of that promise, and how that is supposedly supposed to translate to believers. The gifts of the Spirit, and whether they are or are not in operation today is not an issue here. Again, please show me, with scripture in context, where financial prosperity is part of the promise God made to Abraham and how that translates to us.
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RE: joyce meyer - 12/11/2005 10:53:48 PM
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I just think its ashame that in this day and age there are men that think women are below them.
Different does not mean below.
It is a shame in any day and age. But that has nothing to do with why God created woman as a helper suitable for the man. To keep it on topic... Joyce needs to follow biblical instruction on NT church leadership to claim her wealth is from God. If you want to continue the roles aspect then please do that in the other thread.
1Co 11:1-3 Be imitators of me, even as I also am of Christ. (2) Now I praise you, brothers, that you remember me in all things, and hold firm the traditions, even as I delivered them to you. (3) But I would have you know that the head of every man is Christ, and the head of the woman is the man, and the head of Christ is God.
1Co 11:7-9 For a man indeed ought not to have his head covered, because he is the image and glory of God, but the woman is the glory of the man. (8) For man is not from woman, but woman from man; (9) for neither was man created for the woman, but woman for the man.
1Ti 2:11-15 Let a woman learn in quietness with all subjection. (12) But I don't permit a woman to teach, nor to exercise authority over a man, but to be in quietness. (13) For Adam was first formed, then Eve. (14) Adam wasn't deceived, but the woman, being deceived, has fallen into disobedience; (15) but she will be saved through her childbearing, if they continue in faith, love, and sanctification with sobriety.
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RE: joyce meyer - 12/12/2005 5:08:48 PM
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I worked at a nursing home for many years and I saw many faithful volunteers
there. I was paid to work there and I proclaimed the gospel to as many as would
listen, the Lord said it is THE LOVE OF MONEY that is evil! Here you are judging
God's anointed servants!!! Careful Whose foot you step on, God judges His
own servants by a higher standard! Coming from an abusive background, Joyce's
teachings really aided in my healing, I know that was of God.
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RE: joyce meyer - 12/13/2005 8:00:59 AM
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I still don't agree but we have different opinions, and that is ok. I feel that as a woman I have every right as a man does to preach Gods word..I am his child also. I like watching Joyce Meyer better than a man because she brings up women's issues more than a man would. I also like listening to Paula White from time to time.
Oh my goodness...Paula White? Talk about bad to worse. She makes Joyce Meyer look Biblically sound!
Aren't you concerned that Joyce Meyer's doctrine is completely unbiblical?
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RE: joyce meyer - 12/13/2005 9:17:33 AM
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I worked at a nursing home for many years and I saw many faithful volunteers
there. I was paid to work there and I proclaimed the gospel to as many as would
listen, the Lord said it is THE LOVE OF MONEY that is evil! Here you are judging
God's anointed servants!!! Careful Whose foot you step on, God judges His
own servants by a higher standard! Coming from an abusive background, Joyce's
teachings really aided in my healing, I know that was of God.
Scripture does say that the love of money is the root of all evil. Now, since the prosperity gospel is nowhere to be found in scripture, what else could be the motivation for people to preach it? The love of money. Again, scripture refutes, and quite soundly, the WOF prosperity gospel.
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RE: joyce meyer - 12/13/2005 9:30:07 AM
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Joyce Meyers.
Strike one - not that she has money but I do not see her being a good steward. Instead of living a normal lifestyle she chooses to live an extravigant one at the expense of people who are starving to death. Jesus tells us that if we are not trustworthy with little matters like how we handle God's resources then we won't be "trustworthy" with bigger matters. (more me that's mean I can't trust them to tell me about the bigger matter of salvation and God)
Strike two - she is a woman and God in His word tells me this is a no no for women to preach to men. So she is disobeying God in this rather simple command.
Strike three - she teaches WOF which does nothing more than try to elevate man to a positon of godhood and reduce God to a position where we are able to control him.
Strike three and you are out as a person who is to instruct me in the ways of God. If you can't obey the simple commands, preach the clear gosepl of Jesus Christ and live a lifestyle that I don't believe is God honoring I can't figure out why anyone would allow that type of person to try to share any godly widsom with them.
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RE: joyce meyer - 12/13/2005 9:59:10 AM
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But to some with itching ears this makes them feel good.
Sadly, there are many people who are gifted by God but they use their gift in an unscriptural manner.
We seem to be attracted to the very things that God says are the "forbidden fruit".
God did not say that a woman would not be able to teach a man (i.e. have the skill, etc.) He said it is not permitted. That is His prerogative... He is God.
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Phi 3:12 Not that I have already obtained, or am already made perfect; but I press on...
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RE: joyce meyer - 12/13/2005 10:43:10 AM
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True worship cannot exist in an environment of commercialism.
Jesus would soon teach the woman of Samaria that true worship was of the spirit: “By the power of God’s Spirit, people will worship the Father as He really is, offering Him the true worship that He wants. God is Spirit, and only by the power of His Spirit can people worship Him as He really is.” (John 4:24)
We are embarrassed by those, who under the guise of religion, earn huge salaries, keep the profits of their CD’s and commercialise religion. Jesus overturns the improper religion of people who put profit first.
- w2w
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I lay down and slept; I awoke, for the Lord sustained me. (Psalm 3:5)
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RE: joyce meyer - 12/13/2005 1:03:00 PM
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Can 1 + 1 = both 2 and 3 at the same time? No, because the two answers are contradictory. One answer is correct, and the other is therefore incorrect. In the same way, can a person follow both God and WOF at the same time? No, because WOF contradicts the Word of God, and this has already been proven scripturally many, many times. We know God's Word is correct, therefore WOF is incorrect. Anything contradictory to God's one truth is a lie. SO... it's God OR WOF. The choice between the two must be made since both cannot be followed at the same time.
A harsh warning from the Bible, but very true nonetheless:
2 Thess 2:7 For the secret power of lawlessness is already at work; but the one who now holds it back will continue to do so till he is taken out of the way. 9 The coming of the lawless one will be in accordance with the work of satan displayed in all kinds of counterfeit miracles, signs, and wonders, 10 and in every sort of evil that deceives those who are perishing. They perish because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. 11 For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie 12 and so that all will be condemned who have not believed the truth but have delighted in wickedness.
We put ourselves at great risk when we ignore scripture and follow false doctrine and false teachers. The justifications for following false truths are many:
- It just seems right and feels good, so it must be from God.
- My personal experience confirmed it.
- It got me a result I liked.
- I like the person who taught it, they seem godly and caring.
None of these justifications will fly with God because emotions, personal experience, 'good' results, and people are below scripture, not above it. God has already given us His one truth as found in the Holy Bible. He has commanded us to study it, to believe it, to trust it, to test everything through it, and to LOVE IT. Loving the truth means forsaking the lies.
We've been warned.
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